Glock blocked: OPP dumps SIG for Glock

TT1900 said:
And your point is?

The P320, PPQ, FNS, APX, P07, M&P certainly share characteristics with the Glock in that they are striker fired, double stack, polymer frames. It hardly makes them copies.

Saying a VP70 trigger sucks to prop up the Glock is hilarious. As soon as you shoot the PPQ or P320 you realize how poor the Glock trigger is.
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The recipe/format of the pistols listed above are exactly the same as the Glock, which came first... It's not a result of amazing engineering that the other 20 companies have come up with a poly striker pistol, it's simply wannabe copying in an attempt to secure a portion of the market. Not one of the wannabe brands has come up with anything that is more reliable or simpler in design than a Glock. Having shot all but the APX I can tell you the Glock trigger is far from the worst out there. Don't forget the PPQ is a SINGLE ACTION trigger unlike the DAO of the Glock. Oh and the P07 is not a striker fired gun, it's CZ's P10c that is striker fired.

Canuck44 said:
You do any amount of shooting and you will quickly realize ALL pistols will fail and/or break. No make is immune, they all are mechanical devices. There are lots of very good guns in the market today, Glock is one but there are others.

Take Care
Bob
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Absolutely correct Bob. Mechanical devices fail, just that Glock pistols fail less than others.

r34skyline said:
The P320 trigger is better than classic sig triggers but it's really not that amazing at least the two i tried were mediocore at best, I would take a standard glock 5.5lb over that every time. The ppq is a single action trigger as is the sfp9 and 320 for the matter vs a glocks partial dao trigger. All but sig and smith have copied the trigger bar design, almost all but the walther are heavier, speaking of m&p even the 2.0 has a worse trigger than a stock glock. There are minor differences but there's no question who cemented the formula and who copied it, also the PPQ came out and died off the gate, can you point to some long term tests to show how well it holds up.

P.S. this is coming from someone who has never owned a glock and is a die hard Hk fanboy.
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I would agree.

GreenBob said:
Bingo - Unit price, maintenance costs and spare parts are the primary driving force when deciding firearm contracts.

From what I understand (and understand very little) usually departments with a large budgets would go the Sig/HK route and the ones with smaller budgets would go Glock route. To me this makes perfect sense - lets look at the Canada for an example - In 2016 there was 6 fatal police shootings and we have over 70,000 active/sworn police officers.

Like it or not - it is a strategic move to save money on firearms and invest it into vehicles, radios, training, etc. Especially if you can get a firearm like Glock that has a VERY solid reputation for half the price or more.

Now Sig 320 is changing that - Sig is offering a pistol that is modular at a VERY VERY attractive price. Only time will tell if it will stand up to the worldly abuse like old Glocks/Sigs/HKs/etc did (IMHO).
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Your data is wrong, there were at least 9 fatal officer involved shootings in Canada in 2016. So is your speculation on selecting Glock pistols. Sure price is an issue and always will be. However, purchasing on price alone is stupid and isn't reflected in the quality or performance of Glock pistols. Glock simply offers an outstanding product at a great price.

SIG offers their wannabe version and the modularity is a joke. No one has yet to explain the desire or need to change from a full size to a compact or vise versa. Calibre changes are even more of a head scratcher. The modularity "feature" was something required for the US Army's MHS program and has zero practical benefit.
 
GuiltySpark said:
Sig 226 sized ;)

I wouldn't make use of the different sized backstraps on the Gen 4, standard glock fits me.
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Gen 3 saves you about 100 bucks, but comes with 2 mags instead of 3. Mags these days are only running about 40 bucks. I personally like the grip texture of the gen 4 over the gen 3 unless you come across a RTF2 framed version.
 
I agree with this fellow 100%.

Cheers

Kidd X said:
The recipe/format of the pistols listed above are exactly the same as the Glock, which came first... It's not a result of amazing engineering that the other 20 companies have come up with a poly striker pistol, it's simply wannabe copying in an attempt to secure a portion of the market. Not one of the wannabe brands has come up with anything that is more reliable or simpler in design than a Glock. Having shot all but the APX I can tell you the Glock trigger is far from the worst out there. Don't forget the PPQ is a SINGLE ACTION trigger unlike the DAO of the Glock. Oh and the P07 is not a striker fired gun, it's CZ's P10c that is striker fired.



Absolutely correct Bob. Mechanical devices fail, just that Glock pistols fail less than others.



I would agree.



Your data is wrong, there were at least 9 fatal officer involved shootings in Canada in 2016. So is your speculation on selecting Glock pistols. Sure price is an issue and always will be. However, purchasing on price alone is stupid and isn't reflected in the quality or performance of Glock pistols. Glock simply offers an outstanding product at a great price.

SIG offers their wannabe version and the modularity is a joke. No one has yet to explain the desire or need to change from a full size to a compact or vise versa. Calibre changes are even more of a head scratcher. The modularity "feature" was something required for the US Army's MHS program and has zero practical benefit.
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confession:

After shooting (very successfully in IPSC) Sa/Da trigger for the last 1.5 years, I have decided to go back to the G17 (which has been sitting unfired for most of the 1.5 years).

I am currently shooting a CZ Shadow2, and before that Grand Power Xcal (my favourite, except that is not 100% reliable as the CZ or Glock).

I am very excited to come back to the Glock, it just feels extremely natural to me.

Cheers!
 
Avenida said:
confession:

After shooting (very successfully in IPSC) Sa/Da trigger for the last 1.5 years, I have decided to go back to the G17 (which has been sitting unfired for most of the 1.5 years).

I am currently shooting a CZ Shadow2, and before that Grand Power Xcal (my favourite, except that is not 100% reliable as the CZ or Glock).

I am very excited to come back to the Glock, it just feels extremely natural to me.

Cheers!
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interesting, don't have any Glock but a G17 is on my list.
 
GuiltySpark said:
Recommendations between adjustable and night sights on a Glock?
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I would go with the Warren Tactical Sauvigny FO fixed sights. Get the blacked out rears and the FO front.
Adjustable sights on a Glock or any combat type pistol is like teets on a bull.

Failing that, Trijicon or Meprolite sights will be my next choice.
I have Trijicons on mine now. Once the tritium dies, I will switch to a thinner front sight system.
 
What he said ^

Adjustable sights on the Glock is a waste of money and time.
If you are intending to use the pistol for competition, night sights are again a waste of money not only because you will never use them, but also because they do not bring any benefits, they are blocky just as the original sights.

A competition sight aids for speed in acquiring the picture.

I have not tried the dawson precision sights, but had the Warren Tactical Sights (150 rear notch and 115 front post) for over 2 years and won many matches with it. I took them out at one point thinking I was going to sell the G17, it turns out that I never got that far so I just bought another set of Warren and will re install and shoot the G17 for IPSC the remainder of 2017.

I recommend the Warren from experience, they are very good. Brownells or Rock your Glock will ship.

Cheers

Still alive said:
I would go with the Warren Tactical Sauvigny FO fixed sights. Get the blacked out rears and the FO front.
Adjustable sights on a Glock or any combat type pistol is like teets on a bull.

Failing that, Trijicon or Meprolite sights will be my next choice.
I have Trijicons on mine now. Once the tritium dies, I will switch to a thinner front sight system.
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Avenida said:
What he said ^

Adjustable sights on the Glock is a waste of money and time.
If you are intending to use the pistol for competition, night sights are again a waste of money not only because you will never use them, but also because they do not bring any benefits, they are blocky just as the original sights.

A competition sight aids for speed in acquiring the picture.

I have not tried the dawson precision sights, but had the Warren Tactical Sights (150 rear notch and 115 front post) for over 2 years and won many matches with it. I took them out at one point thinking I was going to sell the G17, it turns out that I never got that far so I just bought another set of Warren and will re install and shoot the G17 for IPSC the remainder of 2017.

I recommend the Warren from experience, they are very good. Brownells or Rock your Glock will ship.

Cheers
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Wonder how those sights would work on my Sig P226R
 
Trijicons sights are solid but they are thick.

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Kidd X said:
Absolutely correct Bob. Mechanical devices fail, just that Glock pistols fail less than others.
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What proof have you of this?

Glock Kabooms are legendary in the 40 cal. Glocks are far easier to limp wrist than most I have shot. The only failures I have witnessed as a Chief Safety Officer at a large sanctioned event in the US over a ten year span have been Glocks ie Glock 17- not proof of anything other than my limited experience - four on one stage in one year alone. Two broken strikers and one broken spring. The other was limp wristed induced jam from hell.

They are dependable firearms for certain but to say they are the most dependable pistol.....I am not so sure as you are. A good friend of mine was a Glock armourer and he was not wanting for work. Glock is on their fourth generation and I do recall folks like you claiming it was perfection back when the Gen 2 were the rage.,,,apparently not.

Individual experiences vary but in over 55 years of handgun shooting I have experienced exactly three handgun failures, outside of ammo issues. The first was a broken slide stop lever in a PreB CZ85 Combat 1988 model with a zillion rounds through it the second a broken striker on my early M&P FS and the third a broken spring on a Uberti SAA of 1873 vintage. The M&P came with deficient strikers in the early versions. Mine broke at around 7K rounds. The new versions appear to be bullet proof. I add this to make the point that modern CNC equipment and handgun designs of recent date are all extremely reliable devices if maintained well. Parts do break.

Take Care

Bob
 
I think not long ago there was a police department suing SIG due to their pistols having failure to eject, oh wait, I do have a link:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...edly-selling-defective-handguns-state-police/

Any striker fired pistol will Kaboom, metal guns just do differently due to the pressure not being able to escape through the frame. A Kaboom is a Kaboom, regardless of make or type, it happens to all pistols. It is not a GLOCK thing, at least not anymore

If you are going to use anecdotal stories, please also make sure to educate the new shooters: Older GLOCKS lacked a fully supported chamber, something that would create the GLOCK BULGE in brass, specially .40 due to the high pressure, This was the main cause of Kabooms.

New Glocks do not have this problem as all the chambers have been modified to provide more support.

For what is worth here is an anecdotal story (for the life of my daughter this is true), a buddy of mine has over 50K (I bet maybe 70K) in his GLOCK (about 5 years old pistol), I think he cleaned it only once this past year because I was making fun of him and because he had, for the first time ever, a couple of malfunctions (light strikes due to all the crud accumulated around the chamber, ejector, etc). he is a high volume IPSC shooter.


Canuck44 said:
What proof have you of this?

Glock Kabooms are legendary in the 40 cal. Glocks are far easier to limp wrist than most I have shot. The only failures I have witnessed as a Chief Safety Officer at a large sanctioned event in the US over a ten year span have been Glocks ie Glock 17- not proof of anything other than my limited experience - four on one stage in one year alone. Two broken strikers and one broken spring. The other was limp wristed induced jam from hell.

They are dependable firearms for certain but to say they are the most dependable pistol.....I am not so sure as you are. A good friend of mine was a Glock armourer and he was not wanting for work. Glock is on their fourth generation and I do recall folks like you claiming it was perfection back when the Gen 2 were the rage.,,,apparently not.

Individual experiences vary but in over 55 years of handgun shooting I have experienced exactly three handgun failures, outside of ammo issues. The first was a broken slide stop lever in a PreB CZ85 Combat 1988 model with a zillion rounds through it the second a broken striker on my early M&P FS and the third a broken spring on a Uberti SAA of 1873 vintage. The M&P came with deficient strikers in the early versions. Mine broke at around 7K rounds. The new versions appear to be bullet proof. I add this to make the point that modern CNC equipment and handgun designs of recent date are all extremely reliable devices if maintained well. Parts do break.

Take Care

Bob
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Older GLOCKS lacked a fully supported chamber, something that would create the GLOCK BULGE in brass, specially .40 due to the high pressure, This was the main cause of Kabooms.

New Glocks do not have this problem as all the chambers have been modified to provide more support.
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I'm very glad Glock has eliminated that unsupported at the lower rear brass issue...never liked that feature.
I alway assumed they did it to make them rock solid reliable in feeding.
 
not sure if you guys have seen this;

FastForward to 17:18 for info.


I will see if I can find the Glock video as well.
 
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