Glock - Production vs Standard?

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Hey guys,

So i just got back from a trip to the range where i had 3 cases split/explode on me in my Glock 22. Lucky me and the gun were okay, but it was a bit of a wake-up call. I then started thinking about solutions to this problem...

THe first solution would be to simply buy a new aftermarket drop-in barrel with the improved feed ramp so that the bottom of the case wont be exposed...if i do this, will i still be allowed to shoot production?

The second one, would be that if i couldnt shoot production anymore, should i just upgrade my G22 for a G35, and then put an aftermarket barrel in that?

The third question...is how much (if at all) would i have to modify a G35 to be competitive in this division? would it be worth it? as opposed to looking at an STI, Para, or some other 1911 form of gun?

Any input would be great

Chris
 
The drop in barrel would not be allowed in Production (and let's please not spark up another thread on the stupidity of the rules...)

So...you could modify it and shoot Standard...but it will never be competative with the guns built for the purpose. That doesn't mean you'll have any less fun...but you will give away points to the S_I, Tang, Para crowd.

I'd be more interested in why your cases are splitting. I've shot several different flavours of factory .40 out of a G22 with no issue.

If you reload...The power factor in prod is 125...so with a .40 cal...even with light bullets (165 gr) pressure should not be an issue...

Cheers
 
Ummm, what Quigley said. Why are you splitting cases?
Are they splitting like a faint line fracture? or are they blowing out the side?
 
chrisward3 said:
Hey guys,

So i just got back from a trip to the range where i had 3 cases split/explode on me in my Glock 22. Lucky me and the gun were okay, but it was a bit of a wake-up call. I then started thinking about solutions to this problem...

THe first solution would be to simply buy a new aftermarket drop-in barrel with the improved feed ramp so that the bottom of the case wont be exposed...if i do this, will i still be allowed to shoot production?

The second one, would be that if i couldnt shoot production anymore, should i just upgrade my G22 for a G35, and then put an aftermarket barrel in that?

The third question...is how much (if at all) would i have to modify a G35 to be competitive in this division? would it be worth it? as opposed to looking at an STI, Para, or some other 1911 form of gun?

Any input would be great

Chris
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What are the specs on the reloaded ammo?

Cases - Brand, new, used?
Primer?
Powder and Charge Weight?
Bullet and Bullet weight?
OAL?
Crimp size?
 
all three cases were Speers...they were reloads from Wolf here in ktown. Id fired 2000+ of these out of my glock beforehand with no issue. I was shooting off a box of 35rds, and had 3 cracked cases (pics attached)

any ideas?

Chris

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I had exactly the same type of crack yesterday at the monthly IPSC match in Winnipeg in my Glock 22. In a nickel plated Federal case, 5.0 gr. of 231 and 180 gr. Frontier FP bullet loaded to 1.135 OAL and WSP primers . Case has been loaded 2-3 times.
 
"but it will never be competative with the guns built for the purpose" BULL####, it's the shooter not the gun that makes the difference.
If you put in the time and effort you can be competitive with a g22 or g34 in Standard. Dave S won limited nats with his against the best STI, SVI and Para shooters out there.
Put a Glock in Auger's, Burrell's or Sanderson's hands in Standard and they'll still be a dominante force because they know how to shoot.
 
Madness said:
Put a Glock in Auger's, Burrell's or Sanderson's hands in Standard and they'll still be a dominante force because they know how to shoot.
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Good to know Mike...

Please be sure and let me know when our top shooters start shooting Glock's in their respective Divisions...:cool:
 
tobin said:
I had exactly the same type of crack yesterday at the monthly IPSC match in Winnipeg in my Glock 22. In a nickel plated Federal case, 5.0 gr. of 231 and 180 gr. Frontier FP bullet loaded to 1.135 OAL and WSP primers . Case has been loaded 2-3 times.
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The following doesn't necessarily explain a split case if the load falls within tolerances but regardless 5.0 grains is quite a bit more than required for a G22. When I was shooting a G22 in Production my load was 4.1 grains of 231 with a 180 grain Montana Gold CMJ and WSP primers. I've also used 4.0 grains without any problems but couldn't guarantee 100% extraction in colder weather whereas 4.1 grains did guarantee me 100% extraction all year round.

Of the people I know who shoot a G22 here in Alberta I'm not aware of any of them having a split case, and they've all been shooting a G22 for at least several years.
 
Madness said:
"but it will never be competitive with the guns built for the purpose" BULLs**t, it's the shooter not the gun that makes the difference.
If you put in the time and effort you can be competitive with a g22 or g34 in Standard. Dave S won limited nats with his against the best STI, SVI and Para shooters out there.
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We've been over that here ad infinitum...at his and his peers levels, make / model is almost irrelevant. Us mere mortals - it makes a difference. Hence the 2 out of 3 guns being STI's at the US Nationals...and the reason you and I shoot one too. ;)

As for the cracked cases, the glock 22 "kaboom" is a rupture out the bottom of the case, which these are not. These cracks are contained by the chamber in even a glock. In this case, I'd just say that it was a bad lot of brass.
 
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Not a Glock shooter. Are they known for oversize chambers? Heavy load in an oversize chamber will cause cases to split like that. Metal fatique will do as well of course but hardly after two to three reloads.

Take Care

Bob
 
Those case splits are not of the type associated with the "Kb!" phenomenon.

I doubt it had anything to do with the gun, more likley a probem with the brass, especially since it happened in a cluster. 2000 rounds of no problems, then 35 rounds with 3 split cases.

Bad brass.
 
I went STI becuase they have contingency(which is a huge role in STI's current market share), were at a good price and I've always liked the look of them. If you(freedom Ventures) hadn't shown up I'd still be where I am but shooting my Para.
So many people have this mindset that the God squaders are untouchable, their not. Those guys are just willing to put the extra effort in that most people don't have the time or desire for.
Who's better off, someone buying an expensive gun and hardly shooting it or someone buying a lower priced gun and shooting it all the time?

For a G34, put in one of those vanik triggers that reduced the amount the trigger has to move, drop the pull weight, a good magwell, extended mag release, and ditch the factory sights, I would recommend Warren tacticals but anythings better then the stock ones.
The Enos forum has a spot set aside just for tweaking GlocksEnos Glock Forum
 
Madness said:
For a G34, put in one of those vanik triggers that reduced the amount the trigger has to move, drop the pull weight, a good magwell, extended mag release, and ditch the factory sights, I would recommend Warren tacticals but anythings better then the stock ones.
The Enos forum has a spot set aside just for tweaking GlocksEnos Glock Forum
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Or spend the same money on a Tanfo ready to go out of the box. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!
Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm all better now.....
 
BTW: that just looks like work-hardened brass. Not going to damage the gun and for the most part would probably cycle. I've had hundreds of those over the years and they all cycled. I only found them when I collected the brass after my practice session.

Not cool for match use though.
 
96Brigadier said:
The following doesn't necessarily explain a split case if the load falls within tolerances but regardless 5.0 grains is quite a bit more than required for a G22. When I was shooting a G22 in Production my load was 4.1 grains of 231 with a 180 grain Montana Gold CMJ and WSP primers. I've also used 4.0 grains without any problems but couldn't guarantee 100% extraction in colder weather whereas 4.1 grains did guarantee me 100% extraction all year round.

Of the people I know who shoot a G22 here in Alberta I'm not aware of any of them having a split case, and they've all been shooting a G22 for at least several years.
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Does the 4.1 gr. of 231 run OK with the stock recoil spring? The 5.0 gr of 231 was loaded for Standard in my Glock 35 but I wanted to try the Glock 22 as I just got it so I am looking for a lighter load which will run the G22 reliably.
 
there are some nice loads in the Hodgdon manual with 150 to 160 gr bulets in the 40 for production and they work the G22 just fine.
I sent a PM to you on those.
 
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