Glock safety

[TDC]

Bottom line is, if I don't enjoy shooting it I'm not going to shoot it. I don't get why that's such a hard concept. A lighter trigger isn't going to make me shoot poorly either, the fact that I have to tweak something I have modified
before it works properly is trivial to me, I fix things for a living.

Precisely my point. I guess if your gun feels good to your hand or in this case your trigger finger, but your performance is lacking it must be ok. That's what I got from that. You enjoy a good feeling gun regardless of your performance. The "Feel" has zero to do with performance. Why most people waste their time tweaking a "feel" item and yet fail to focus on what's important is baffling.

I don't champion anything dude.....and I never said they are more important than fundamentals. I said virtually everyone can benefit from a better trigger and eventually serious shooters will opt to improve on what they have.

But hey, if you wanna put words in my mouth to perpetuate the same old dogma, go right ahead. I don't think you've ever seen me shoot, so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion I am lacking in fundamentals. Must be another truth brought to CGN by TDC

And I hate to burst your "stock glock" bubble, but even a glock with only OEM parts can fail, just like any other gun.

Perhaps the word/term champion was a little strong. You clearly support the belief that aftermarket cr@p is either necessary or beneficial to improved performance. The truth is that none of that stuff is. In addition, a guy attempting to gain a minute advantage with a slightly smoother trigger pull or lighter pull is not gonna see an improvement if their fundamentals suck, which 99% of handgun shooters are guilty of. Also, if you're shooting any kind of action discipline, your level of accuracy required to shoot "clean" is not so high as to require tuned guns, match barrels/ammo, or any of the other endless selections of "match/competition/performance enhancing" money pits available. The key here, is learn to shoot, as in seek professional training, then practice a lot. Most guns will outshoot most people, right out of the box.

As for the Glock comment. I'm aware that a Glock can fail, a fixed blade knife fails and it has zero moving parts. The reality is that stock Glocks that haven't been f**ked with are far less prone to any kind of failure. Stock parts is how it was designed, I'm confident the engineers at Glock are far more versed on what should and should not be on their guns than the average gun owner. My one stock Glock is sitting at over 40,000 rounds with only one stoppage to date and that was an old worn magazine that caused a failure to feed.

TDC

 

[Onagoth]

I have to know, have you ever had a glock with upgraded trigger parts? Have you ever used one for some extended period of time...like weeks or months?

 

[Woodeneye]

Question for TDC....Is there anything that you don't know about or have an opinion on?

Precisely my point. I guess if your gun feels good to your hand or in this case your trigger finger, but your performance is lacking it must be ok. That's what I got from that. You enjoy a good feeling gun regardless of your performance. The "Feel" has zero to do with performance. Why most people waste their time tweaking a "feel" item and yet fail to focus on what's important is baffling.



Perhaps the word/term champion was a little strong. You clearly support the belief that aftermarket cr@p is either necessary or beneficial to improved performance. The truth is that none of that stuff is. In addition, a guy attempting to gain a minute advantage with a slightly smoother trigger pull or lighter pull is not gonna see an improvement if their fundamentals suck, which 99% of handgun shooters are guilty of. Also, if you're shooting any kind of action discipline, your level of accuracy required to shoot "clean" is not so high as to require tuned guns, match barrels/ammo, or any of the other endless selections of "match/competition/performance enhancing" money pits available. The key here, is learn to shoot, as in seek professional training, then practice a lot. Most guns will outshoot most people, right out of the box.

As for the Glock comment. I'm aware that a Glock can fail, a fixed blade knife fails and it has zero moving parts. The reality is that stock Glocks that haven't been f**ked with are far less prone to any kind of failure. Stock parts is how it was designed, I'm confident the engineers at Glock are far more versed on what should and should not be on their guns than the average gun owner. My one stock Glock is sitting at over 40,000 rounds with only one stoppage to date and that was an old worn magazine that caused a failure to feed.

TDC

 

[Seven65]

Precisely my point. I guess if your gun feels good to your hand or in this case your trigger finger, but your performance is lacking it must be ok. That's what I got from that. You enjoy a good feeling gun regardless of your performance. The "Feel" has zero to do with performance. Why most people waste their time tweaking a "feel" item and yet fail to focus on what's important is baffling.



Perhaps the word/term champion was a little strong. You clearly support the belief that aftermarket cr@p is either necessary or beneficial to improved performance. The truth is that none of that stuff is. In addition, a guy attempting to gain a minute advantage with a slightly smoother trigger pull or lighter pull is not gonna see an improvement if their fundamentals suck, which 99% of handgun shooters are guilty of. Also, if you're shooting any kind of action discipline, your level of accuracy required to shoot "clean" is not so high as to require tuned guns, match barrels/ammo, or any of the other endless selections of "match/competition/performance enhancing" money pits available. The key here, is learn to shoot, as in seek professional training, then practice a lot. Most guns will outshoot most people, right out of the box.

As for the Glock comment. I'm aware that a Glock can fail, a fixed blade knife fails and it has zero moving parts. The reality is that stock Glocks that haven't been f**ked with are far less prone to any kind of failure. Stock parts is how it was designed, I'm confident the engineers at Glock are far more versed on what should and should not be on their guns than the average gun owner. My one stock Glock is sitting at over 40,000 rounds with only one stoppage to date and that was an old worn magazine that caused a failure to feed.

TDC

Time enjoyed isn't time wasted, you're under the impression that time spent has to result in what YOU yourself consider important, why does what I do with my time concern you so much? I spend time doing other things that don't result in me shooting better.

You also have this hang up on need. It's the same retarded argument that people who try to ban guns come up with, You don't NEED guns, you don't NEED a 30 round magazine, you don't NEED a softer trigger, so let's veto it. You can kill a deer with one bullet with good shot placement, let's outlaw anything over one shot and work on your shot placement. Home defense? Single barrel shotgun, the amount of bullets mean nothing if you have proper shot placement, get your fundamentals down. It's narrow minded attitudes like that which cause your AR to have a 5 round magazine, because why would you NEED more?

Also never in this thread, not once has anyone stated that fundamentals or training or practice are not important. You're making that up yourself, maybe you're mad at people arguing with you in the fit vs fundamentals thread and you want to argue more so it's spilling out here. News flash! NO ONE IN THIS THREAD IS ARGUING WITH YOU ABOUT TRAINING BEING IMPORTANT THIS IS AN UNRELATED ISSUE.

BTW the fit vs fundamentals argument seems stupid anyways. It's like comparing a formula 1 car to a buick sedan, one is for performance the other is for comfort.