Glock shooting 7 and 9 O-clock

plinker 777 said:
Can the sights be moved on a stock 17 9mm?
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the rear sight can be drifted from left to right for windage...a fully adjustable glock sight can be had for a few bucks.

before u adjust ur sights, have somebody with a lot of experience with a glock try your gun out...most of the time its the shooter not the gun or the sights
 
curtmg said:
The Glock was made for saving lives inside of 7-10 yards. If you are accurate enough to bring down a paper attacker within that range, you are doing as well as should be expected. That being said, the trigger takes some getting used to. Personally, I never did get fully used to the stock trigger. Too heavy, too much distance, WAAYYY too much overtravel, which makes the reset harder to use. Replacing the stock connector with a Ghost Rocket connector costs $25 US rockyourglock.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Category_Code=GhostConnectors&Product_Code=GHO-2105ABA9 plus shipping. With this, your trigger weight drops substantially, the pull distance is reduced, and the overtravel can be nearly completely eliminated. This mod did more for my accuracy than any $25 worth of ammo I ever put through it, so I'd say it was well worth it. Installing it also taught me a lot about how the gun works, as you get to take the reciever almost all the way down to it's naughty bits.

Basically, your choice is learn how to use an difficult trigger, or turn into an easy one.
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First off, there is very little over travel on a stock Glock trigger, so you're clearly not speaking from experience. Second, wasting money on "upgrades" does nothing to improve the users performance or lack thereof. Learning to shoot, and mastering the fundamentals is a transferable skill set not limited to one specific make/model. Unfortunately, it takes time, dedication and constant repetition/practice to maintain as shooting is a perishable skill. I guess for those who haven't the patience or resources to invest are better served with mods and a false sense of improvement. The fact that yourself and many others believe the trigger is "difficult" to learn/use speaks to your lack of understanding of marksmanship fundamentals.

ndb86 said:
the glock is designed as a point and shoot weapon for police and military use to defend themselves and us. it wasn't really designed as a tool for civilian target practice. it is still more accurare than the user (just like any gun), but the heavy mushy trigger leaves something to be desired. There is nothing wrong with the glock, but I highly reccommend a CZ Shadow. not much more expensive, but designed for target shooters. Keep the glock for some fun at the range or a backup gun, but instead of spending hundreds on a trigger job on it, save up and buy a gun designed for target shooting. Doesn't have to be a shadow, but I absolutely LOVE mine!

Practice will help alot as well. I don't know your level of experience, so you may have the same issue with any gun you use. get some trigger time in. spend some time dry firing as well and make sure that every time you fire the muzzle doesn't move. when you get to the range concentrate on doing the same thing everytime. eventually it will become second nature and you won't have to think about it. remember slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Get good then get fast....

easier said than done i know but you can do it!
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Here again. The design or intended market for a firearm has nothing to do with the users performance. There are plenty of folks who can't hit sh*t with their tricked STI's or CZ's. No different than those who can't hit sh*t with stock Glocks and SIGs. The user/operator makes the shot, not the tool. The tool only performs to the level of the person running it.


To The OP.

Your problem is two fold. For starters, if you're new to handguns, 25m is much to far to start. You can't run before you walk so start out closer at say 7 yards. When you master that, then move it back. Second, your shot placement is a direct result of you and your lack of consistency. Seek professional training and practice more. There's no easy or fast method for learning to shoot. Put in the time and effort and you'll succeed.


TDC
 
TDC

I didn't wanna quote you're whole thing but did want to comment.


You misunderstood part of my reply. There is nothing wronf witha glock. We both agreed that more practice will help immensly. All i was getting at is that firarms that are designed from the group up for a specific purpose, natureally will work better for that purpose. You CAN use a glock for target shooting and do very well. However it would be EASIER for a newbie to learn on a gun that naturally is desgined to do teh same just just a little bit better.

Basically my opinion boild down to this. The shooter makes the gun and any gun is more accurate than the shooter can be with it. However any little advantage that you can get in order to make the gun more userfriendly is an advantage i would like to have. The best gun in the world in the hands of a novice will perform like crap and the crappiest gun in the world in the hands of a master will perform flawlessly.


To the OP. practice practice practice, any trigger time is good trigger time.
 
ndb86 said:
TDC

I didn't wanna quote you're whole thing but did want to comment.


You misunderstood part of my reply. There is nothing wronf witha glock. We both agreed that more practice will help immensly. All i was getting at is that firarms that are designed from the group up for a specific purpose, natureally will work better for that purpose. You CAN use a glock for target shooting and do very well. However it would be EASIER for a newbie to learn on a gun that naturally is desgined to do teh same just just a little bit better.

Basically my opinion boild down to this. The shooter makes the gun and any gun is more accurate than the shooter can be with it. However any little advantage that you can get in order to make the gun more userfriendly is an advantage i would like to have. The best gun in the world in the hands of a novice will perform like crap and the crappiest gun in the world in the hands of a master will perform flawlessly.


To the OP. practice practice practice, any trigger time is good trigger time.
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This is where I disagree. Guns built for competition don't aid a newbie in learning anything other than the fact that the gun is hiding their errors. Learning to drive in an F1 car doesn't make you a better driver than learning in a Toyota. Its about the fundamentals, not the equipment. This is the point I'm trying to get across. Too many focus on the hardware when it has little to do with the final result. Fundamentals apply to all firearms and all disciplines. Mastering the IPSC circuit or Cowboy action events will naturally lead you to the gear that has been marketed/designed for the purpose. That does not however make such items necessary(ignoring the rules for the moment). Nor does the availability of such equipment replace or discount the value of learning the fundamentals. This is why I say,

"If you can't pick up any pistol/rifle at the range and print a respectable pattern at a respectable distance, you need to work on the fundamentals."

The need for specialized equipment is often a crutch for the unskilled.

TDC
 
plinker 777 said:
When I first square off to a target {25m} If I bring the pistol to bear on the target and fire instinctively {very little "aiming" more of a point, sight pic, fire!} I'm in the center white more often than not.
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Hope you remembered the drill .........:)

Try this after the drill that was outlined previously

Practice the first shot to ensure that everything is in place for a good shot.
Don't go to the second shot until the first shot off is a good one, put the pistol down and regrip etc etc until you can get the first one a good one

When you are comfortable with the first , then shoot doubles, the transition to the second is where the difficulty may be. Fire the first , do the routine as previously described for the second and recover for the third but do not fire the third. The idea is to get training to recover from the previous shot to the next. This must be understood.

Fire doubles until you can get the second as good as the first, don't rush, speed will come later. When the doubles are successful , then move on to triples and so on until you can do a full mag. This may take 6 weeks or 6 months or longer . If there are problems go back to doubles ( doubles are the fixer ) if doubles don't work any more, then go back to singles ( you can do those right ?) Going back to singles is going back to fundamentals ....:cheers:
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Aimed dry-fire practice will train you to control the trigger...lots of aimed dry-fire.
 
Accuracy is not platform specific. With all handguns, regardless of action you do the same things:

Align the sights with the spot on the target you want to hit and hold them there. For the time-being you want your focus to be on the front sight, or more specifically the dot on the front sight or the top edge of the front sight. There are other types of focus you can use but they are more for advanced speed-shooting. Stick with the front sight.

While maintaining this alignment draw the trigger straight back, building pressure until you SEE the sights lift in recoil. Dry firing will help you learn how to do this without deflecting the sights and without the distraction of noise and recoil. It's just a mechanical skill that can be improved by practice and bio-feedback (observe the sights as you manipulate the trigger and adjust if you start to see the sights deflect). In dry fire, the gun should not move when the striker or hammer falls.

If you don't see the sights lift in recoil you are blinking in anticipation. This means that for a split-second you are essentially shooting blind. You must keep your eyes open so you can follow through and see the sights as they begin to lift. Note that the spot that the sights lifted from is where the bullet went. Using this approach will teach you to call your shot without having to look at the actual target.

Correct practice, patience and discipline.

Good luck!
 
ndb86 said:
The best gun in the world in the hands of a novice will perform like crap and the crappiest gun in the world in the hands of a master will perform flawlessly.
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I gotta say, the crappiest gun in the world, is still going to jam, fail to fire and shoot it's slide of the front end, even if a master is holding it.

BTW arguing equipment with TDC is kind of pointless. The Glock was made perfectly as it is stock form. The fundamentals of marksmanship will overcome any inadequacy in any equipment. Anyone who thinks they can improve on any piece of equipment in stock form, just doesn't get it.

I'm most certainly one of the poor shlubs who doesn't get it, and I'm ok with that :cheers:
 
It's not very common that a shooter is limited by the abilities of their firearm, it does happen however.

I would not try moving your rear sight, every new glock I've ever picked up shot dead on out of the box.

You need to focus on your grip, stance & trigger technique.

Hold the gun gently but firmly, you don't need to squeeze the life out of it.

Make sure you have solid footing , try placing 60/30 weight on your forward knee. (This optional and it depends on what stance you are using)

Line your sights up, focus on that front sight, let the target be a blur in the background.

Draw the slack out of the trigger.

Take a breath in and let it half way out and hold your breath.

Keep focused on the front sight.

Add more pressure slowly and steadily until.......BANG!!!

Rinse and Repeat ;)

Good Luck!!!
 
This thread should be renamed 'I'm shooting to 7 and 9 o-clock-gun doesn't matter'.

And trying to give shooting advice on the internet, never having seen the shooter actually shoot, is pointless. Just like that stupid target with the instructions on what you're doing wrong depending on where the round hits.

There's nothing wrong with the gun. The shooter is having trouble with most likely trigger control or sight picture (just a guess unless the op wants to post video). The grip isn't as important, and stance hardly matters, it's the least important of the 4 basic fundamentals.
 
wicked_police said:
....... The grip isn't as important......
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Not important eh?

If your squeezing the hell out of the gun, how do you expect to have any sort of trigger control, when you squeeze hard you tend to shake and get tired more quickly.

Gripping to lightly and not locking wrists could start causing limp wristing issues and this would add a whole new dimension to our shooters problems.

In my previous post, all the things I mentioned combine to be a sum of their parts, you have to put everything together to get the results you want
 
gwagen said:
Not important eh?

If your squeezing the hell out of the gun, how do you expect to have any sort of trigger control, when you squeeze hard you tend to shake and get tired more quickly.

Gripping to lightly and not locking wrists could start causing limp wristing issues and this would add a whole new dimension to our shooters problems.

In my previous post, all the things I mentioned combine to be a sum of their parts, you have to put everything together to get the results you want
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He didn't say "not important", he said "not AS important". I'd have to agree with that assessment...
 
I did the same thing, 789 o clock, with my glock at first and still at times when I just am not concentrating. I had a tip to put a snap cap in some mags randomly to see what happened when I pulled the trigger on a dead round without knowing it was coming. It was pretty clear at that point I was anticipating the recoil and pushing it. Showed it completely.
I dry fired practice as much as possible and kept shooting and it got better.
 
After your first shot, do you try to see where you hit the paper and lose your sight picture? If you do...stop. Check your target after your string. Focus on your sight picture and start with shorter distances to increase your confidence.

To really find out what you are doing wrong you should seek proper training or at least have an accomplished shooter observe you when you shoot so he can correct you on the spot.

Good luck and have fun.
 
Armored Metal said:
After your first shot, do you try to see where you hit the paper and lose your sight picture? If you do...stop. Check your target after your string. Focus on your sight picture and start with shorter distances to increase your confidence.

To really find out what you are doing wrong you should seek proper training or at least have an accomplished shooter observe you when you shoot so he can correct you on the spot.

Good luck and have fun.
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Yes I am guilty of this in shooting and golf....{I feel the need to see my handy work:)} I think I'm going to try shorter strings 3-5 rds maintaining sight picture all the way through. {not going to lift my head as it were(golf) }
 
To develop and maintain the basics, start at 3m with a dozen or so 1" black square target pasters on your backer. Work on putting 5 rds all on the black and once you can shoot all 10 or 12 patches and not drop any more than 5% off the patch you can back up to 5m then 7, then 10.

I start every practice session with a couple of dot shoots just to make sure I haven't forgotten the trigger or lost focus on sight picture. I usually follow that up with Dot Torture or the 99 Drill from pistoltraining.com and try a couple runs at the FAST Drill at the end of my practice session.


blake
 
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