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Tell us how you really feel. Lol. Glocks are great pistols imo.
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Tell us how you really feel. Lol. Glocks are great pistols imo.
LOL, don't get me wrong I have every respect for each shooters preference for a pistol, and although I have never liked the appearance of the Glock, I was REALLY looking forward to shooting one. Maybe it was the fact that the gun was a rental and poorly maintained? Who knows, but it was just not for me.
Amazingkg3
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Bottom line of Glocks: They look like crap, and aren't match grade. But it will fire when it absolutely needs to. Period.
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All I can say is HOLY ####!!!
Bakercakes
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Probably cuz its a rental... mine shoots pretty damn nice and it's more accurate than I'm able to take advantage of
Hmmm Very interesting, you have the same feeling that the first and second time that I fired a glock that belongs to some nice club member. Anyhow I had a CZ and Beretta M9, compare with CZ and Beretta, Glock's flame is very cheap made. kinda ugly and poorly designed. But I have two G17 now, why? I can't tell, but I know I love the gun. Along CZ 75B series, Beretta 92fs, Browning hi-power and 1911 design, I think Glock is one of the greatest gun. Don't get me wrong, they still look cheap and ugly but I like them.
Trigun
The glock is the ak47 of the pistol world. Not pretty, not the most accurate, but practical, and always goes bang. I would trust it to fire, as much as I would a revolver. Nice and light too, letting you carry more rounds without limping.
This is too good not to respond.
Let me get this straight. Somehow the "feel" of a firearm dictates its overall quality? The fact you couldn't load the magazine means its a poor design? The fact its not hand fitted and has some play means the fit and finish is poor? Your ability to understand and operate a two stage trigger and/or work the reset is absent so the trigger is now an 8lb mess? The quint essential "point and pull" pistol is not user friendly? So where do the factual statements come in. I mean, all I see is an individuals PERSONAL experience based on PERSONAL feelings with zero factual evidence to support it.
I guess the many millions of Glocks sold and used by many different folks to include law enforcement, military, and competitive shooters alike, is the result of "cheap" prices and good marketing. It couldn't be Glock's reputation for utter reliability and simplicity in a user friendly no BS service pistol could it?
Rental gun or not, the performance is a direct result of the shooter not the gun or ammo. Its rather odd that no matter how many people post about their great or poor results with brand X there will always be others with the exact opposite experience. Through some basic science principles we can determine what the independent variable is.. The shooter. The controlled variable would be the pistol and the dependent variable would be ones performance. The dependent variable is a direct result of the independent variable, the shooter. I'm sure most of us understand this concept yet very few ever admit its their abilities that are lacking, not the equipment. Regardless of what one believes, the science doesn't lie. You don't understand the fundamentals of marksmanship to make the Glock run, hence your poor performance.
I'm curious to hear why you feel the gun is not user friendly? How hard is it, insert magazine, cycle the slide, depress trigger. Reload or re holster when finished.
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I certainly appreciate the comments and advice. I am well accustomed to different pistols and certainly have my own idea of what a pistol should do. I am a firm believer that there isn't one tool for every job, and as the job changes, your tools usually should too. Philosophy of use is a major deciding factor in what section I designate my firearms to. I personally prefer a Glock in any caliber as opposed to a 1911 because of proven reliability, larger magazine capacity and so on, while some people may feel the exact opposite. I think even comparing a P-85 double action all steel pistol to a striker fired polymer pistol isn't a good match up because they really aren't in the same class imo. To each his own, and to me my glock.
Did you read my comments all the way through? You have it quoted there.... at the end.... I said I was stating my opinion and that others may have a different opinion.
There is no factual evidence of an opinion, that is why it is an opinion.
I have also stated that this was not my first rodeo, and have put a hell of a lot of lead down range, and of the couple dozen or more handguns I have used and owned, Glock is one I would never go back to, based on my experience using it.
As to the feel of the pistol, it felt like crap to me yes... If it feels like crap, loads like crap, shoots like crap and looks like crap.... I'll let you fill in the end of the sentence. Again, different people OBVIOUSLY feel differently, and that is why they make more than one brand of pistol.
The magazine spring was so stiff it was ridiculous, Again I have loaded more than a few 9mm mags and never needed a tool to do so. The range had no tool available and I finally settled on loading only 8 rounds per mag and even that was exceedingly difficult compared to others I have used.
Yes those are subjective opinions again.... I would love to see your hard evidence that the Glock is a wonder pistol, and beyond scrutiny.
Did you watch the Glock's 1000 round torture test? Everyone seemed so impressed. The part I like is at the end where the gun melted and the guide rod flew out of the pistol, making it a useless pile of junk afterwards.
The Ruger torture test (posted a few back in this thread) on the p-85 was 5000 rounds after having parts of the slide cut out to weaken it and try to make it fail, it didn't. That is a pass... unlike the Glock.
Sorry for my opinions here, I obviously hurt your feelings, It was not my intention to do so, but you seem to be suggesting that it is the best pistol ever made and everyone should own one regardless of what they think of it. And because I don't enjoy shooting the gun you enjoy shooting, I must not know how to shoot... I see ... very scientific.
**edit** I should add if you can shoot a Glock accurately and enjoy it,(which you seem to be able to) you are obviously a better shooter than I am.
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Glad we cleared that up.
You go on about the Ruger series of pistols being so tough. Removing a section of the slide is not a realistic scenario for any pistol and proves little. The torture test you post is one done in print in a magazine. I'm not saying its false or biased but there's no video evidence of it either. The Glock torture test was done rapidly, very rapidly and yes the guide rod melted. The pistol did NOT fail to function in spite of the melted rod. I have to ask, if the Ruger is such a wonderful pistol why aren't there more departments or militaries running them? I believe the only dept. in Canada running them is some small town force in New Brunswick. I know of no military or military unit that uses them. Do you think they've simply missed the boat or have already concluded that the over weight, over sized Ruger is a piece of sh*t.
My opinion of your shooting skills is not based on your opinion that the Glock is uncomfortable. My opinion of your shooting skills is based on your statement regarding your horrible groups with the Glock. Clearly anyone who cannot pickup any pistol and produce a reasonable size group has not mastered the fundamentals of marksmanship. Feel/comfort is a personal opinion that should not affect performance and should be all but eliminated when selecting a pistol.
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Amazingkg3
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This whole debate comes round to one simple fact. Every firearm is different for every person. Try what you can and make your own assessments. I use a Smith and Wesson for work, and hate it. I use a glock personally, and love it. Many would make the opposite argument, but that why were all unique...Just like a snowflake! : D
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I own a Glock 17, I have shot thousands of rounds out of it. Never a malfunction. Only lessons I had was from watching youtube videos of how to properly shoot a handgun. At 25 yards i can hit a 6 inch plate and put plenty of holes in it, they are not tight together for sure as i have much to learn. All ive read all ive seen is glocks rarely malfunction at all, if they do its usually due to somebodys bad reloads. With the proper grip, and factory ammo it just will not malfunction. I watch one guys youtube all the time. Hickok45. He loads his own ammo and has shot for years and years, and he swears by Glock. The reason so many law enforcement and military people use the glock, is because its tough, durable, lightweight and it will work when they need it too period. So people are just biased about polymer pistols no matter how good they are. It takes time to get used to a handgun, at first i didnt like my glock, figured it was the gun. However, with practice i realized it was me.
This is true, but you cant bash a gun and say its junk just because it didnt work for you. Which is what ski911 did in his post. I dunno if he bought a second hand lemon or what, but id love to test his Glock to see for myself.
It was a rental, and it "worked" fine, It didn't fail to feed or function. I am not saying Ruger is the best choice for all shooters either, that would be silly. I am not sure how you guys can say I don't know how to shoot, when I can shoot many other handguns more effectively than I did the Glock. I took my time and as I fired each shot, I saw the hole in the target appear. First shot was where I intended it, then 4" left, then back on target, then low 3", then right 2", etc...
I have never had a pistol before that i could not hit a clay pigeon 10 out of 10 shots at 15 yards.
I would assume you didn't read the whole test, with the slide weakened, they rapid fired 5000 rounds, in 1000 round intervals, stopping only to inspect the slide and frame for obvious damage. 5 times that of the Glock test, with no failure of the pistol.
You go onto claim that feel and comfort are not important in selecting a pistol, I would say that my opinion on that, and the general consensus of the shooting world, is the exact opposite. But I guess since not all of them are shooting Glocks, and since they don't agree with you, must be wrong to.
I see that as long as I think your brand is best, then I am right, but any other opinion is wrong. Brand bashing is ok for you, as long as it isn't "your brand".
Taken from another thread.
Ya, I can think of one right now actually. I posted here because I saw "Glock tolerances" and thought, "I couldn't tolerate the one I shot" and made a post... in hindsight a bad idea, as I ended up stirring up a hornets nest.
Let me start by apologizing. I was rather harsh in my criticisms of your post/opinions.
I hear what you're saying regarding the Ruger test. However, as I mentioned the test they performed is not relevant or realistic in any way shape or form. The 1000 round video of the Glock 19 is again on the extreme side as no one, MIL or LE will carry or have access to 1000 rounds to be fired rapidly. The simplicity, reliability, and overall lifespan of a pistol is more important than its ability to be unrealistically abused.
As for comfort, I'll openly say it. Comfort is not necessary to accurately fire any handgun. The fundamentals of marksmanship are not dependent on such personal opinions. The vast majority of handgun users select them based on appearance, nostalgia or comfort. Very few actually make their decision based on function, controls, and intended use.
I brand bash when and where appropriate. UTG is airsoft garbage and has never earned a reputation for quality or reliability. For the majority of range shooters/bench shooters such low dollar and low quality gear is acceptable. For those who wish to own equipment that works without having to worry about it, UTG is not an option. Similarly, those who bash a brand or product with little to no evidence to support that are fair game for scrutiny. Your post about your experience with a Glock and your poor performance is a prime example. By your own admission you divulged the fact that you have not mastered the fundamentals of marksmanship. You then reinforced this point with statements regarding "feel" and "comfort". If that wasn't enough you sealed the deal with your remarks about the horrible trigger. Such a remark is only made by those who do not or cannot operate a two stage trigger and/or work the reset.
This is not a personal attack directed towards you Ski911. This is a general observation about your post and many similar to it. Personal opinions without factual evidence to support can be explained away with little effort.
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