Glock Trigger - what have you done?

TDC said:
You need to support this statement.

As for the original question. I sought professional training, and run my Glocks stock. Learn to shoot and the rest is a waste of time and money. As others have mentioned, the Glock trigger(or most striker fired pistols for that matter) will not cover up your poor form, nor will it give you any slack. If you miss, its you, not the gun. Learn to shoot and stop worrying about bolt on compensators for poor form.

TDC
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Yup.

Stock trigger with 5k rounds will do a lot more for your shooting than a fancy new trigger.

I don't like Glock triggers - but after a few thousands trigger presses they are not as bad as they where.
 
I use an NY1 and 3.5 set up in my G17. Not because I wanted a "better" trigger than stock, but it came that way when I bought it. It does offer a very positive reset without being overly heavy, which is nice.

I see nothing wrong with playing with your trigger set up if it's going to make you shoot better. Most people on this forum never shoot enough rounds through their pistol, or are serious enough about learning, to know what proper form is anyway.

If a different trigger helps them shoot better for their hundred or so rounds they shoot a year, good for them.

Those who take it seriously know better than to think a different trigger will make a huge difference, and that's fine too.
 
Clobbersauras said:
I use an NY1 and 3.5 set up in my G17. Not because I wanted a "better" trigger than stock, but it came that way when I bought it. It does offer a very positive reset without being overly heavy, which is nice.

I see nothing wrong with playing with your trigger set up if it's going to make you shoot better. Most people on this forum never shoot enough rounds through their pistol, or are serious enough about learning, to know what proper form is anyway.

If a different trigger helps them shoot better for their hundred or so rounds they shoot a year, good for them.

Those who take it seriously know better than to think a different trigger will make a huge difference, and that's fine too.
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That's the problem, too many look for the easy "feel good" answer to "good" shooting. The desire to improve themselves just isn't there. Rather the desire for instant results is the order of the day. Learning to shoot is a skill that is transferable. Yes it is a perishable skill and requires regular practice to maintain. However, said skillset is easily and quickly recovered even after an extended break.

TDC
 
metcalfe said:
I prefer a stock trigger in my glock as well, but 5.5lbs isn't heavy by any means, and poor gun handling is not what glock had in mind when they chose that weight.

If you don't touch the trigger before your sights are on target, the gun cannot go off.
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you don't say....you mean your gun doesn't fire by itself?....hmm....I must have got one with all the options!
 
While learning to shoot is obviously of significant benefit. Spending 15$ on a connector and 10$ on a spring kit (to me) is not in the same league as the guy who buys a 5000$ long range rifle but never learns to read the wind. I find it natural to want to tinker and make things "better" lol.

I actually bought 2 glocks In 9mm, one is being kept bone stock and has the . connector, the other is for playing with. I also bought 3000 rounds of ammo and a progressive hornady press to get some trigger time. Their seems to be some critism over doing trigger work as opposed to doing trigger time to tighten groups up. I plan on doing both, with my unmodified glock acting as the "control" while tracking my shooting progress. Right now I genuinely SUCK lol.

While taking professional instruction, I am sure, would speed that process along; I'd much rather spend the money on bullets and powder and relegate my instruction to utube and trial and error. I've shot lots of guns from bench rest triggers in the oz's to creepy milsurps that felt like they were dipped in sand. The striker fired triggers are certainly unique in how they feel and I can see how a persons first instinct would be to want to change the trigger around. I don't think I am alone in this as evidenced by the multimillion $ glock parts industry and 1/2 a dozen suppliers of custom glock connectors and spring kits. Just google glock trigger and you get an idea of how popular the topic is.

Right now I shoot the modified trigger better then the bone stock. I guess that means my shooting form, trigger control etc needs some work.

Learning the fundamentals of any shooting sport is absolutely necessary but I dont see having equipment that feels better to the shooter as being a short cut to bypass learning those fundamentals. I don't think the op or anyone else who posted their mods suggested that either.
 
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juanvaldez said:
While learning to shoot is obviously of significant benefit. Spending 15$ on a connector and 10$ on a spring kit (to me) is not in the same league as the guy who buys a 5000$ long range rifle but never learns to read the wind. I find it natural to want to tinker and make things "better" lol.

I actually bought 2 glocks In 9mm, one is being kept bone stock and has the . connector, the other is for playing with. I also bought 3000 rounds of ammo and a progressive hornady press to get some trigger time. Their seems to be some critism over doing trigger work as opposed to doing trigger time to tighten groups up. I plan on doing both, with my unmodified glock acting as the "control" while tracking my shooting progress. Right now I genuinely SUCK lol.

While taking professional instruction, I am sure, would speed that process along; I'd much rather spend the money on bullets and powder and relegate my instruction to utube and trial and error. I've shot lots of guns from bench rest triggers in the oz's to creepy milsurps that felt like they were dipped in sand. The striker fired triggers are certainly unique in how they feel and I can see how a persons first instinct would be to want to change the trigger around. I don't think I am alone in this as evidenced by the multimillion $ glock parts industry and 1/2 a dozen suppliers of custom glock connectors and spring kits. Just google glock trigger and you get an idea of how popular the topic is.

Right now I shoot the modified trigger better then the bone stock. I guess that means my shooting form, trigger control etc needs some work.

Learning the fundamentals of any shooting sport is absolutely necessary but I dont see having equipment that feels better to the shooter as being a short cut to bypass learning those fundamentals. I don't think the op or anyone else who posted their mods suggested that either.
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You can't teach yourself something you don't know. Fumbling through videos(which aren't training) and lots of frustrating range time is a waste of resources. Seek professional training, spend the time learning the fundamentals, then you can spend thousands of rounds perfecting them. A pistol that "feels" better is simply a gimmick for those who don't understand the fundamentals. As I've posted before, learn to shoot, and the rest won't matter. Even the best bolt on goodies will only take you so far.

TDC
 
So you've sought professional training for everything you do in life? Do you feel national level shooters that tweak their triggers/gun/equipment have no understanding of the fundamentals? Your taking your own life experience and your own ability to learn and applying it to everyone else. People learn differently. While I completely agree professional instruction in ANYTHING will likely be beneficial, their is a lot to said about doing things on your own. I say likely be beneficial as a bad instruction can do more damage then good.

I recently built a cottage. If I understand you correctly I should first have gotten carpenter training, then I should have gotten electrical wiring training, plumbing?, Hvac? I read books, bought the electrical code simplified (a book), checked the building code, used common sense and consulted the almighty internet when I wasn't sure. So ya, I "taught myself something I don't know" and gained skills and knowledge I will have for life. I made mistakes and learned from them, I took longer then paying a professional contractor, I had to buy tools I did not have. The personal satisfaction and money I saved far outweighed any of the negatives though. I often find the people most adamant about not trying to do something on your own are those that stand to profit from it. Are you an instructor by any chance? I didn't enrol in trades training and get a carpenter/electrician/plumber/whatever else ticket but was still successful.

Ill take the same approach now, read a lot, trial and error...see what works for me and what doesn't. I won't pay someone to show me how but I'll still be successful. Remember success is a moving target defined by what a persons goals are. I'm not a national level competitive shooter in training nor do I want to be.

I enjoy my range time, never walk away frustrated (a bad day at the range is better then a good day at work). I walk away with learning something new and satisfaction as my groups shrink.

OP sorry for getting off topic...

Try the Ghost EVO connector if you want a really sweet trigger. Instantly shrunk my groups!! (did not improve my form, trigger control or other fundamentals however). The best part was I did not need to take a glock armourers course to install it, I just watched a utube video ;-)

TDC - I respect your opinion, you seem knowledgeable and perhaps I'm just ignoring good advice but I think I'll be fine right now based on what my goals are.
 
I have a G17 Gen4, kept everything stock, love the trigger! Almost 3k through it and its still smooth and crisp! That reset is solid!

I only have been shooting for not even a year still, first pistol i ever shot was a CZ shadow, did a nice grouping. Then tried the glock and was horrible. I saw that as a challenge to perfect my fondamentals and be accurate with a stock glock. Theres always someone who shows me his glock with this and that changed, try it and still doesnt feel as solid as my stock trigger.

I do IPSC with it, and its getting better and better every match.
 
juanvaldez said:
So you've sought professional training for everything you do in life? Do you feel national level shooters that tweak their triggers/gun/equipment have no understanding of the fundamentals? Your taking your own life experience and your own ability to learn and applying it to everyone else. People learn differently. While I completely agree professional instruction in ANYTHING will likely be beneficial, their is a lot to said about doing things on your own. I say likely be beneficial as a bad instruction can do more damage then good.

I recently built a cottage. If I understand you correctly I should first have gotten carpenter training, then I should have gotten electrical wiring training, plumbing?, Hvac? I read books, bought the electrical code simplified (a book), checked the building code, used common sense and consulted the almighty internet when I wasn't sure. So ya, I "taught myself something I don't know" and gained skills and knowledge I will have for life. I made mistakes and learned from them, I took longer then paying a professional contractor, I had to buy tools I did not have. The personal satisfaction and money I saved far outweighed any of the negatives though. I often find the people most adamant about not trying to do something on your own are those that stand to profit from it. Are you an instructor by any chance? I didn't enrol in trades training and get a carpenter/electrician/plumber/whatever else ticket but was still successful.

Ill take the same approach now, read a lot, trial and error...see what works for me and what doesn't. I won't pay someone to show me how but I'll still be successful. Remember success is a moving target defined by what a persons goals are. I'm not a national level competitive shooter in training nor do I want to be.

I enjoy my range time, never walk away frustrated (a bad day at the range is better then a good day at work). I walk away with learning something new and satisfaction as my groups shrink.

OP sorry for getting off topic...

Try the Ghost EVO connector if you want a really sweet trigger. Instantly shrunk my groups!! (did not improve my form, trigger control or other fundamentals however). The best part was I did not need to take a glock armourers course to install it, I just watched a utube video ;-)

TDC - I respect your opinion, you seem knowledgeable and perhaps I'm just ignoring good advice but I think I'll be fine right now based on what my goals are.
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I agree that some things you can learn on your own, however marksmanship isn't one of them. Wiring your cottage and building it can be done througj self study as you have done. You also admitted that professional training is of benefit. The difference between your cottage work and marksmanship is that you see your errors when the lights don't come on or the stairs are crooked. Ones errors in marksmanship are manifested in poor groups and/or misses. Neither of which tell you where you went wrong.

Top competitors choose to alter their gear to gain fractions of a second in time. They also have a firm$ grasp of the fundamentals. They learned to shoot then tweaked their gear not the other way around. For most who have never taken any training the marginal gain a trigger offers is over shadowed by poor trigger control/flinching/sight alignment or recoil control. I can't tell you how many guys I've seen at the range or a match who have high end gear with all the trimmings. only to witness the vast majority shoot like #### or have chronic failures with their gear.

I don't understand why people are so opposed to training. Its a transferable skill and its crazy amounts of fun.

Tdc
 
Pistol training is the best training to seek out of any firearm training, as your trigger control is much more important (and noticeable) in handguns.

Honestly I don't see the trigger in a Glock being that bad - not ideal, sure, but unless it is one of the NY or NY+ triggers, the 5.5lbs "standard" unit is not a bad thing.

There are many things I'd do to a Glock before the trigger, as the OEM sights SUCK, and the frame texture needs work.
 
I have to agree with both TDC and Kevin. There is no downside to taking some pistol instruction...unless the instructor has no idea what he's talking about...
You may figure it out yourself (or you may not) but it will take a lot longer and chances are you'll go down the wrong path more than once. The one value to learning it on your own is you'll have a deeper understanding of what works and why because you'll have found so many ways that didn't!
I know many shooters who have chased equipment to try to improve when really they just needed to be properly taught the fundamentals. I know one that has an awesome open gun that I can't shoot because its sighted in for his tremendous flinch.
 
Ghost 3.5 and some cleaning. Try it first.

GW/Zev are junk.

If you must spend money the Vanek is the only way to go.
 
The biggest issue I have with Glocks is the way they squirm around in my hand like a slippery bar of soap.
I must say that I do prefer the PPQ's trigger to a flocks but the grip also seems better and the fact the gun isn't squirming in my hand as the trigger breaks seems like a real plus to me.
I guess I should learn to master the flock or at least try and stop the squirming grip with some grip tape but its tempting to just suck at shooting and stick with easy hits with the Walther!
 
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