Glock Triggers
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I see a lot of opinions on here that give good advice, but dont offer the best solution for your problem in my opinion.
I have a bit of time and training on pistols that would fall in the glock category.. I also own a glock 17.
I shoot a sig 226 at work exclusively, own a glock 17, and a 1911.
I look at the glock as a great in between handgun if you are focusing on a duty/combat pistol and are comparing triggers. Again, this is all my opinion, so take it for what its worth.
The sig, is a great pistol, if it were single action. The double action is horrendous. That being said, with a lot of training, sound fundamentals and tons of rounds down range, the DA trigger can be shot well.
The 1911 trigger is a dream to shoot.
The glock fits in the middle. It has a good pull weight, but a not so smooth trigger with a horrible reset and travel. You can learn to shoot it well, and I recommend any training you can afford being your default for improving your shooting. But, regardless of training, once you have enough time behind triggers (if you dont yet) you will want to probably fix the glocks messy trigger (some people dont, and that suits them just fine)
If you want the most out of the glock, pay attention to the post that lists all the parts to replace. You want your trigger to be as smooth, crisp breaking and have as little travel as possible.
Just picking up a gun and shooting it well, is a lot different that owning a gun and tuning it perform as best it can in what application you need it to.
The glocks weakest point, is by far its trigger.
I have a bit of time and training on pistols that would fall in the glock category.. I also own a glock 17.
I shoot a sig 226 at work exclusively, own a glock 17, and a 1911.
I look at the glock as a great in between handgun if you are focusing on a duty/combat pistol and are comparing triggers. Again, this is all my opinion, so take it for what its worth.
The sig, is a great pistol, if it were single action. The double action is horrendous. That being said, with a lot of training, sound fundamentals and tons of rounds down range, the DA trigger can be shot well.
The 1911 trigger is a dream to shoot.
The glock fits in the middle. It has a good pull weight, but a not so smooth trigger with a horrible reset and travel. You can learn to shoot it well, and I recommend any training you can afford being your default for improving your shooting. But, regardless of training, once you have enough time behind triggers (if you dont yet) you will want to probably fix the glocks messy trigger (some people dont, and that suits them just fine)
If you want the most out of the glock, pay attention to the post that lists all the parts to replace. You want your trigger to be as smooth, crisp breaking and have as little travel as possible.
Just picking up a gun and shooting it well, is a lot different that owning a gun and tuning it perform as best it can in what application you need it to.
The glocks weakest point, is by far its trigger.
Clobbersauras
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I couldn't disagree more.
A duty suitable trigger, that has the same pull weight every time, is a huge plus for the Glock. It's design is pretty much the standard that all striker fired pistols have followed for the last 20 years.
I've read that HK may be working on a striker fired version of the P30, if that is any indication of how Glock has changed the industry.
If you apply the first bolded portion to the second, there is no issue. The reset on a Glock is approximately 1/8th of an inch from fully depressed. If you're releasing more trigger, you need to work on your fundamentals and especially that reset. The long "mushy" pull is only a factor on the FIRST shot, the rest should be 1/8th inch resets followed by crisp breaking shots. If you feel the need to replace sh*t to make the gun "perform" its because you can't.
TDC
Sure there is, if you can improve on whats there, why would you not? If the glock is a duty pistol, carried and used in life or death situations, why would you not tune it to perform as well as possible? Im not advocating a light trigger pull, Im a fan (as well as many of our brothers to the south that put these through the ringer) of fixing what can be fixed.
Again, you and I may shoot under different situations and when different things matter. A first round hit that ensures proper placement in a duty pistol is far more important than being able to hammer off 5 follow up shots. Your hardest shot should not be the first one, and it shouldnt be your trigger causing it to be that way. Which is why the sig takes so much trigger time to prevent pulled shots on the first round. If you can improve that mushy trigger, I dont see why a shooter would not do it. If your issued or forced to use something that has an issue, you work around it, as a civilian.. with the ability to change and modify your equipment.. why would you not?
Then all personnel in the military, including guys in CANSOFCOM, cant perform.
Everyone has different needs and requirements for what they use. Maybe you dont see or agree with a benefit of doing something, that does not mean that someone else does not see where it serves a purpose.
We dont know if this guy has been shooting for 4 months or 40 years. Maybe hes new to glock and isnt satisfied with the trigger. Who is to say his accuracy is "lacking", maybe he just wants more out of the gun and has identified that he doesnt like the trigger. He says hes somewhat new to shooting, I have met the odd modest person who can shoot circles around most, and they have the mindset that the more they learn the less they know.
Seems everyone here is quick to assume the OP is a new guy and just picked up a gun for the first time. Pretty arrogant stance in my humble opinion.
Id say if you are new, pay for some good courses/classes, as well as improve the trigger.
And lets call a spade a spade.. unless your in the small majority of Police outfits that use a glock.. your not using this gun for its "intended purpose."
In all our hands, its a paper punching, steel ringing target gun.
Keyboard commando'ness aside, we dont carry in our country, and this gun will never be used as a duty platform by anyone that does not have authority from the government to use it.
In all our hands, its a paper punching, steel ringing target gun.
Keyboard commando'ness aside, we dont carry in our country, and this gun will never be used as a duty platform by anyone that does not have authority from the government to use it.
mebiuspower
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3.5Lb connector and NY1 spring, put about 5k rounds thru it and it'll be butter smooth.
I'm afraid to get a new Glock because I'll have to do this all over again.
I'm afraid to get a new Glock because I'll have to do this all over again.
I use the same set up and works for me! Reset feels crisper and the first pull take-up feels more linear with less "mushiness"(very technical term). However, I don't believe the trigger pull weight was decreased any....but that's fine with me. YMMV
btw...ARS-031 welcome to the forum. I'm already enjoy your insight!
You posted before and I agree with the statement. If you have a solid grasp of the fundamentals then make/model shouldn't matter. Modifying sh*t to be "better" is compensation for your poor form. The slack in the Glock trigger is not difficult to take up on the first shot, its just something that doesn't need to be done for subsequent shots. With proper form even a slap of the trigger for the first round should result in a hit. If not, a second round can and likely will be triggered in around .20 of a second.
Training solves the "I need X for my gun to perform" problems, and your experience level doesn't matter. If the training your sought or your ability still won't allow for consistent groups, you need work, not the gun. Like everything else in life, not everyone can or will be good at shooting.
Obviously you're one of the "elite" MIL types who is "authorized by the government" to use a firearm for its intended purpose. Between your post above, others on the board and your original 031(infantry) designator in your handle, its clear what you do.
As for "authority" to use a firearm for its intended purpose. I don't need anyone's permission to trigger rounds into any target, let alone defend myself. The legal side may disagree but I will deal with that after and only after I survive the encounter. If you believe you should act differently then feel free to do so.
TDC
blackacres
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HUH!
There is nothing wrong with the trigger, but you modified it! Odd. If I'm not mistaken that equates to a contradiction.
Anyway, ARS-031 and I seem to have similar views on pistol triggers.
By the way, some very good first posts ARS-031.
I am getting a bit tired of "it's a Glock trigger, suck it up and get used to it", "you need to get training and practice", "it's a service pistol", etc.
On a side note, any of you Glock 'experts' shoot a Glock G24C? As it is for "target" shooting, I'll be d*amed, it comes from the factory with a competition trigger, which by the way feels similar to my Vanek trigger!
OK, how many CGN'ers use their "service" pistols for the intended purpose, i.e. kill, or hurt to put down something?
I'm sure the percentage of LEO and Military members on here is very low.
In a LEO/Mil scenario, as ARS-031 stated, the first shot is generally the one that has to count. Many of the "service" pistols used are DA/SA, so that first DA shot provides a trigger pull longer and heavier than a stock Glock trigger.
If I were shooting in that role, I'd most likely go with a Glock.
But again, how many of use will ever shoot in this scenario?
However, I would suspect that most of us use our pistols to target shoot, some use target pistols, most these days seem to use "service" pistols to target shoot.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, apart from my Glock, all of my pistols fall under "service" pistol. But I use these "service" pistols to shoot targets to see how I group and then constantly attempt to improve.
Sig P226 - service
Sig P220 - service
H&K USP - service
H&K Mark 23 (limited service use)
H&K P7 - service
Colt 1911 - service
Glock 17 - service
Again, as I posted earlier, and hopefully I've made my point, apart from the Glock all of the other "service" pistols have very good triggers.
When 'target shooting', per our range rules, a mag is inserted into a pistol that has an open action, rack the slide back to load and then begin to shoot. I assume this is the process at most Canadian target ranges and how the majority of us shoot pistols.
Therefore I/we never have to deal with DA, only SA trigger action.
Again as mentioned in my earlier post, out of all of my "service" pistols, the Glock has the worst pistol trigger I've pulled when compared to my other "service" pistols in SA. My factory stock H&K P7M8 has probably the best factory trigger going.
I have received pistol shooting training several times, I practice and practice. But when I compare the Glock trigger to my other "service" pistols, I find that the trigger is a handicap when I move from pistol to pistol.
Installing the Vanek trigger in my Glock brought it in line with the feel and release of my other pistol triggers.
Removing a variable from one pistol such as heavy, gritty trigger pull (Glock), will only aid me and I'm sure others in shooting any of our pistols better.
IMHO, if someone that can shoot a stock factory Glock trigger well, if they picked up my Glock 17 with the Vanek, they would soon shoot even tighter groups when target shooting as it provides a clean, predictable release!
My 1911's have all had trigger work done to them, my Sigs have the SRT kit in them.
I guess if I and other members listened to a few members on here, many other target pistol shooters including me should send our guns back to get the trigger work undone, and remove SRT kits.
I have to laugh, there is a beautiful Sig X5 (which has a GREAT factory trigger) on the EE for sale, which had trigger work done by Grays Guns. According to a few, I guess that guy should send it back to have the trigger work un-done!
H*ll, I guess I should remove the Timney 3lb trigger from my AR and cancel the Rifle Basics trigger order to replace my Savage .338LM Accu Trigger!
Rant if over................flame suit is on.........flame away Tacti Kool Aid drinkers!
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If that were the case we wouldnt improve on the original of anything. Higher skills demand faster and more efficient platforms, full stop. There comes a point where something on most factory guns is going to limit the shooter, not the other way around. (you can apply this idea to almost anything.. race cars, computers, the list goes on.)
Actually, .19 of a second, but thats because I changed my trigger out
I havent once mentioned anything about the military. In fact, I mentioned police... and then lumped myself in with everyone else being that I am a Canadian CITIZEN. Thats why I used words like "our" and "we".
I have no place to argue with you on this, its your decision. I hope that whatever happens, you dont ever need to use whatever it is you may carry.
gushulak
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This is what I run in all four of my Glocks.
If that were the case we wouldnt improve on the original of anything. Higher skills demand faster and more efficient platforms, full stop. There comes a point where something on most factory guns is going to limit the shooter, not the other way around. (you can apply this idea to almost anything.. race cars, computers, the list goes on.)
Actually, .19 of a second, but thats because I changed my trigger out
I havent once mentioned anything about the military. In fact, I mentioned police... and then lumped myself in with everyone else being that I am a Canadian CITIZEN. Thats why I used words like "our" and "we".
I have no place to argue with you on this, its your decision. I hope that whatever happens, you dont ever need to use whatever it is you may carry.
Fair points on all accounts. My splits run .17
Sometimes... As for needing performance above what the gear/tool can provide, the video below is of a stock Glock 17.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbC5mEc6ipE
You're telling me that a different trigger is going to improve that performance?? There are very very few people who can outshoot any stock/production gun. Modifying triggers and the such is a gimmick used to cover up poor form. If you can't run a stock gun and print respectable groups, the problem is you.
TDC
That's some impressive shooting! That may be a stock Glock but he's no stock guy. He probably shoots more in one session then I do all year with my Glock
Yea I suck @ shooting anything but the minor mods make my shooting exerience a little more enjoyable with the little trigger time I can get. Besides, doing the mods lets me learn a little about how my "toys" work.
Where did you get them? I am thinking of modding one of my Glocks and doing a side-by-side compo.
That's some impressive shooting! That may be a stock Glock but he's no stock guy. He probably shoots more in one session then I do all year with my Glock
Yea I suck @ shooting anything but the minor mods make my shooting exerience a little more enjoyable with the little trigger time I can get. Besides, doing the mods lets me learn a little about how my "toys" work.
He's a full time cop and teaches/runs a shooting school. Skills take time and dedication. And what's to learn about your Glock? It has a rather lame number of parts its hard to get it wrong.
TDC
This is exactly why my 1911 sees little action now. The Glock is so simple to detail strip and clean, etc. My G17 still looks and functions great after a couple thousand rounds. I even picked up a G21 gen4 to get my .45ACP fix
.I think I have the mechanics down but I really need to learn how to shoot them.
Clobbersauras
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HUH!
There is nothing wrong with the trigger, but you modified it! Odd. If I'm not mistaken that equates to a contradiction.
Please. I've owned enough Glocks in my time to know what the stock trigger feels like.
Actually, I've owned most of the pistols on your list. My F.A.S.T test (google it if you don't know what that is) time with my Hk P2000, after 3000 rounds of practice through it was 7.54 sec. The first time I ran some F.A.S.T. tests with my Glock I was able to run a clean 6.99sec. I expect that time to fall as I get more rounds through the pistol. I attribute the increase in speed mostly to the trigger.
I think your assumption that this process is practiced at most Canadian ranges is wrong. I haven't seen this restriction at any range I've been to. Most of the drills I do start from the holster and are timed. Shooting teeny tiny groups, while nice to try every now and then, doesn't hold much interest for me unless I can do it at speed after drawing from a holster. Which I can't.
