Use your crayon to describe how questar can deal with American distributors while everyone else cannot please. Just for us simpletons......
Glock trying to force Canadian prices up?
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Use your crayon to describe how questar can deal with American distributors while everyone else cannot please. Just for us simpletons......
This is not how Glock wants it done.. Not trying to defend glock.. But the Canadian Dealers do not have a US FFL which is how mark deals with the US distributors...
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667,
I disagree with your sentiment on the "don't buy" it part. There are too many items out there that are just too expensive, so I won't be buying a lot.
Dealers:
Please do not think that most of us look down on you. I would STRONGLY suggest that this matter has been brewing for years. Guys like Questar, TSE, OSS, et al have done their part for the sport and brought the toys in. Keep it up.
How ever for our sport to survive as a grass roots sport and not just for the rich, then prices have to come down. There has to be a pardigm shift here across the country. Likely not going to happen, but it would be nice.
Boltgun
I disagree with your sentiment on the "don't buy" it part. There are too many items out there that are just too expensive, so I won't be buying a lot.
Dealers:
Please do not think that most of us look down on you. I would STRONGLY suggest that this matter has been brewing for years. Guys like Questar, TSE, OSS, et al have done their part for the sport and brought the toys in. Keep it up.
How ever for our sport to survive as a grass roots sport and not just for the rich, then prices have to come down. There has to be a pardigm shift here across the country. Likely not going to happen, but it would be nice.
Boltgun
667,
I disagree with your sentiment on the "don't buy" it part. There are too many items out there that are just too expensive, so I won't be buying a lot.
Maybe your just a cheap ol' bastard
or Scottish...
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Fair enough. Now, can other Canadian dealers get an FFL?
All it takes is money and a US citizenship....
P0WERWAGON
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i'm sure if they contact questar instead of the glock distributor, they'd prolly get a better deal.
dealers should start buying smarter, or importing it themselves. dealers can use companies to import.
dealers should start buying smarter, or importing it themselves. dealers can use companies to import.
The Lorax
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667: Rather than not buy (a defeatist attitude) I'd rather protest and use the market (us) to force change.
Even if Glock only sells a 1,000 guns in Canada a year (Toronto Police Force alone has 5,700) at a net profit of $100/gun that is $100K in bottom line revenue. No company I know of (and I consult to a few $5B+ companies) will walk away from $100K net without a fight. In fact the proof supporting this statement is Glock's actions to quash Questar to protect profits on sales that you claim are of no significance to Glock.
If you rolll over then they will roll over you.
Even if Glock only sells a 1,000 guns in Canada a year (Toronto Police Force alone has 5,700) at a net profit of $100/gun that is $100K in bottom line revenue. No company I know of (and I consult to a few $5B+ companies) will walk away from $100K net without a fight. In fact the proof supporting this statement is Glock's actions to quash Questar to protect profits on sales that you claim are of no significance to Glock.
If you rolll over then they will roll over you.
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Very solid statement.
I assume by the "5B" that you meant 5 Bazillion, right?
Thanks for the post, it is good reading for all.
Questar is BOTH a Canadian and a US company. We purchase products in the US as licensed domestic dealer. Our US company is a fully licensed US FFL (Federal Firearms License) holder... in fact we are also an "08 - Importer" licensed by ATF.
We are a Registered ITAR Exporter (vetted and licensed by the US State Department to export ITAR controlled items) and we are an approved/licensed Commerce Department exporter as well (for non-ITAR controlled items).
Our "Canadian" office is therefore in a very different position than other Canadian dealers... it would be very difficult if not impossible for most others to do what we do. It took several years a quite a bit of money to put all of that in place.
There are US companies out there that will handle the export paperwork for a dealer but the costs can be prohibitive.
In my experience it takes us @ 3 hours total to process a simple uncontested DSP-5 Export Permit (that is from start to finish... the IIC, the PO, the copies of documents, conversion to .pdf, preparation of DSP-5 submission, processing of the approved permit once processed). Those that say "get a permit for 2,000" have never dealt with US State Department... we've had them reject permit requests for 100 of something saying that the quantity was too high.
Most customs brokers today want a minimum fee PLUS a % of the value of the shipment they clear... even if you negotiate a very good rate that can still add considerably to the unit cost of a gun.
If you can find a carrier that will transport firearms across the border then please let me and everyone else know who they are... very few carriers will "knowingly" transport firearms from the US to Canada... we've talked to most of the majors and they outright refuse to do it. About the only one still willing to do it is Air Canada and their regulations and costs make the process unfeasible.
Because Questar does everything itself "in-house" we can save money and pass those savings on to the consumer... Consumers vastly under estimate the costs involved in processing exports of firearms and accessories from the US to Canada.
Purchasing from the US is not a real option for most Canadian dealers.
Mark
Or.... Glock is responding to it's American distributors/retailers complaints that someone else is undercutting them an they want it stopped...
No matter what the deal I'm sure Glock inc. makes sure it doesn't lose a dime.
I'll stand by my consumers conviction that if I don't like the price I won't buy.
It's not like they're selling something that I "need" like air or water.
I'm the same when I post in the EE. I name my price... if people want my item at my price then fine... If not, that's fine too.
When I look at someone elses posted item I look at the price and either say "that's fair" or.... more often than not think.. "WTF, that's nuts" and move on
JohnMc
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Any one post this on any of the US boards? It would be good if Glock got some mail from some Americans to.
I have had some companies at Shot show offer me better prices or terms on there products then the US dealer price to help off set things like duty, higher shipping and import / export fees.
I have had some companies at Shot show offer me better prices or terms on there products then the US dealer price to help off set things like duty, higher shipping and import / export fees.
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Mr. Jones and Glock Inc,
As a gun owner and a proud Canadian, I am a very displeased with Glock's treatment to its "niche" market up here in North.
Questar.ca has been a greatly respected online store who has fair prices and great service. They are synonamous with Glocks in the Canadian firearm-owner realm. With the recent adjustment between the Canadian and U.S dollar's worth, the prices should be adjusted accordingly. I mean, why should a gun cost 850 in Canada when it costs 400-450 in the U.S? I understand a lot of bureaucratic stops do add to a slight justifiable difference between the countrys and the prices of said Glocks. But 40-50% is very absurd!
My next firearms purchase is going to be a Glock. As far as handguns go, I own a Sig Sauer and a Browning and I love them both very much! I own a Ruger and 2 Remingtons when it comes to long guns. I have learned that being a Canadian, the private-owner firearm industry is heavily concentrated in the United States. However, Canada has gun owners in the millions, despite having a small population. If the prices of Glocks rise and Questar is scrutinized by Glock Inc, it would seem a bad idea for me or anyone else to buy from a company that does not support its loyal Canadian demographic!
I am very excited about purchasing a Glock 21 in the future. However, a Sig Sauer P220 .45ACP or perhaps a Springfield Armory XD45 would be alternative contenders, the former being very good in terms of customer service; Sig has many contracts with Canadian police agencies!
I would very much like to buy a Glock 21 in the future and would like to do it with full support of the company and confidence in its backing of its Canadian customers!
Thank-you for your time!!
Jim
If you would like to discuss any of this, you can reach me via reply to this e-mail!
Mr. Jones and Glock Inc,
As a gun owner and a proud Canadian, I am a very displeased with Glock's treatment to its "niche" market up here in North.
Questar.ca has been a greatly respected online store who has fair prices and great service. They are synonamous with Glocks in the Canadian firearm-owner realm. With the recent adjustment between the Canadian and U.S dollar's worth, the prices should be adjusted accordingly. I mean, why should a gun cost 850 in Canada when it costs 400-450 in the U.S? I understand a lot of bureaucratic stops do add to a slight justifiable difference between the countrys and the prices of said Glocks. But 40-50% is very absurd!
My next firearms purchase is going to be a Glock. As far as handguns go, I own a Sig Sauer and a Browning and I love them both very much! I own a Ruger and 2 Remingtons when it comes to long guns. I have learned that being a Canadian, the private-owner firearm industry is heavily concentrated in the United States. However, Canada has gun owners in the millions, despite having a small population. If the prices of Glocks rise and Questar is scrutinized by Glock Inc, it would seem a bad idea for me or anyone else to buy from a company that does not support its loyal Canadian demographic!
I am very excited about purchasing a Glock 21 in the future. However, a Sig Sauer P220 .45ACP or perhaps a Springfield Armory XD45 would be alternative contenders, the former being very good in terms of customer service; Sig has many contracts with Canadian police agencies!
I would very much like to buy a Glock 21 in the future and would like to do it with full support of the company and confidence in its backing of its Canadian customers!
Thank-you for your time!!
Jim
If you would like to discuss any of this, you can reach me via reply to this e-mail!
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Mark, will these be the last of the Glocks available at these prices if the letter writing campaign fails to change their position?
We don't expect Glock to change their mind or their policy, regardless of what letters are written or phone calls are made. We didn't tell the Canadian public about the situation to gain sympathy or hoping that complaint letters would cause Glock to change their mind... but rather to inform the buying public just what Glock was doing and how Glock is actively involved in "overcharging" Canadians by pushing prices higher than they need or should be. Glock doesn't give a damn what the buying public thinks... as is quite evident by the answers some of you are getting to your letters.
We are already assisting anyone who is interested, to purchase their Glock directly from US 3rd Parties. There are 100's of US dealers willing to sell Glock firearms to you... just visit GunBroker.com to see how much is available. Questar will handle the import/export of your Glock purchase for you at 1/2 our normal import fee rate... our way of fighting Glock's attempt to control the Canadian pricing.
Your end cost may be slightly more than our current inventory clearance price but it won't be very much more.
An example...
Current going RETAIL price for a Glock 17 in the US is @ $479.00 plus @ $20 for shipping to anywhere in the US.
Add to that our fee to handle the export/import for you (normally $295.00 we have reduced this to $150.00 plus GST on Glocks only).
Canada Custom's Charges will be just 5% GST on a US made Glock 17 so that's $25.00
That means the gun will cost you @ $649.00 plus $32.50 of GST and whatever the cost to ship from Barrie to your location...
We're doing everything we can to insure that they are not able to maintain a Monopoly and drive prices back up as they did for so many years.
Mark
Steve David
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I love the gun, have had several over the years and it has always been the first gun I recommend to shooters, but thats it for me, never again!
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