Glock vs. HK USP vs. Walther vs. Steyr
- Thread starter ghostie
- Start date
Island Gun Nut
Member
Thanks for your time making this ghostie.
This should be stickied. It doesn't cover em all, but it should still be stickied, then maybe someone else can do the same thing with a p226, M&P, CZ and a 1911. I know this was for polymer's, but why not compare em all.
This should be stickied. It doesn't cover em all, but it should still be stickied, then maybe someone else can do the same thing with a p226, M&P, CZ and a 1911. I know this was for polymer's, but why not compare em all.
Spectrum7V1R
CGN Regular
- Location
- Regina Sask
Awesome man, thanks alot.
Thanks for all the positive responses guys. I'm hoping to do another one in the not too distant future that will add Beretta and SIG to the mix, a six gun comparison of some of the most popular European designs. I want to keep the frame of reference (top to bottom, left to right) consistent all the way through the post, and have some more angles and better close-ups as well - I'm not ready to put that all together yet though.
On the Steyr M9-A1. I must admit that when I wrote this piece I was at a low point with that gun, and the comparison probably reflects more poorly on the gun than is warranted. I'm still shooting my HK the most of these guns, but I did use my Glock for a holster course my girlfriend and I did this spring. I think that is the kind of thing where the Glock really shines - when you get away from the bullseye type games and start getting into other scenarios.
The HK is such a great pistol to shoot, IMHO. My girlfriend and I have been doing this drill where we set up 10 three and a half inch circles (the size of your Starbucks coffee cup lid) at 10 yards or 12 yards, and then try and hit all 10 circles as fast as you can. The HK is the gun I get the best results with on that kind of drill, although my gf can do it with her Beretta pretty well too.
With the Steyr, as I say, you do get a lot better with it as time goes on. The key seems to be not trying to perfectly line up the triangle (front sight) with the trapezoid (rear site). That just screws you up. The best is to just put the triangle right on to what you want to hit, go off the top of the gun for elevation (tilt the gun down until you can't see the top of the slide) and just use the rear site for rough centering. If you are looking straight down the gun at eye level, and you are holding the gun properly, you are going to be pretty much lined up on windage anyway. I've gotten to the point where I can get 10 shots into a 3 and 1/2 circle at 10 or 12 yards pretty consistently (one or two shots are outside the circle about half the time, but I still call that consistent) and I've gotten my speed up with it as well. I still prefer 3-dots sights, but this gun is something different and it helps to get you thinking about shooting in a different way, sort of using the gun and the sights to line up on target, rather than just lining up dots.
On the Steyr M9-A1. I must admit that when I wrote this piece I was at a low point with that gun, and the comparison probably reflects more poorly on the gun than is warranted. I'm still shooting my HK the most of these guns, but I did use my Glock for a holster course my girlfriend and I did this spring. I think that is the kind of thing where the Glock really shines - when you get away from the bullseye type games and start getting into other scenarios.
The HK is such a great pistol to shoot, IMHO. My girlfriend and I have been doing this drill where we set up 10 three and a half inch circles (the size of your Starbucks coffee cup lid) at 10 yards or 12 yards, and then try and hit all 10 circles as fast as you can. The HK is the gun I get the best results with on that kind of drill, although my gf can do it with her Beretta pretty well too.
With the Steyr, as I say, you do get a lot better with it as time goes on. The key seems to be not trying to perfectly line up the triangle (front sight) with the trapezoid (rear site). That just screws you up. The best is to just put the triangle right on to what you want to hit, go off the top of the gun for elevation (tilt the gun down until you can't see the top of the slide) and just use the rear site for rough centering. If you are looking straight down the gun at eye level, and you are holding the gun properly, you are going to be pretty much lined up on windage anyway. I've gotten to the point where I can get 10 shots into a 3 and 1/2 circle at 10 or 12 yards pretty consistently (one or two shots are outside the circle about half the time, but I still call that consistent
) and I've gotten my speed up with it as well. I still prefer 3-dots sights, but this gun is something different and it helps to get you thinking about shooting in a different way, sort of using the gun and the sights to line up on target, rather than just lining up dots.
Last edited:
I'm consistently impressed with my ability to hit even small targets when using the USP 9mm. I decided to show you guys a couple of targets as an example.
These are those "Dirty Bird" splatter targets from Birchwood Casey - the ones that have 9 three inch circles per sheet. Both targets are 10 shots into a three inch circle at 12 yards (36 feet or 11 metres). Each shot is aimed, but not slowfired. They were fired at a standard counting candence; 1, 2, 3... etc.
These are not the best groups I've shot with the USP. Just average. Each group has one hit outside the 3 inch circle, but not a total flier. I have lots of times gotten all 10 shots into one ragged hole at this distance. Just goes to show, IMHO... this gun has no problems hitting where you aim. A three inch circle doesn't look like much at 12 yards. These targets are designed for smallbore rifles.
Awesome gun. Highly recommended.
These are those "Dirty Bird" splatter targets from Birchwood Casey - the ones that have 9 three inch circles per sheet. Both targets are 10 shots into a three inch circle at 12 yards (36 feet or 11 metres). Each shot is aimed, but not slowfired. They were fired at a standard counting candence; 1, 2, 3... etc.
These are not the best groups I've shot with the USP. Just average. Each group has one hit outside the 3 inch circle, but not a total flier. I have lots of times gotten all 10 shots into one ragged hole at this distance. Just goes to show, IMHO... this gun has no problems hitting where you aim. A three inch circle doesn't look like much at 12 yards. These targets are designed for smallbore rifles.
Awesome gun. Highly recommended.
Last edited:
- Location
- Downtown Vancouver, BC
Sweet thread. Worth the read!
Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm wanting to do a 6 gun comparison between the 4 guns in this thread plus the SIG P229 .40S&W and my girlfriend's Beretta 92G 9mm. I have to go and buy the SIG in order to make that happen though. I've been musing about buying it for like 3 months now (ever since P&D got them in) so I should probably just do it. The bug does not seem to be going away.
That would be five 9mm's and one .40S&W, but oh well. There would still be a lot of good info in there. Also the Beretta I have access to (at least in terms of taking apart and taking like 50 pictures of) is an ex-VPD service pistol. If I were doing this right I would compare the new "90-two" and a P226 or P229 in 9mm - but you gotta go with the guns you actually have!
I'll have something else cool for you guys before too long. I started doing a thread about the Rhineland R22 in the Rimfire section, but that seems to be largely "old hat" for people on this board. Everyone wants that new MP5-style .22 out of Germany (and I want one too, I'm just not holding my breath for things that aren't in the country and registered into the system as restricted or non-restricted).
That would be five 9mm's and one .40S&W, but oh well. There would still be a lot of good info in there. Also the Beretta I have access to (at least in terms of taking apart and taking like 50 pictures of) is an ex-VPD service pistol. If I were doing this right I would compare the new "90-two" and a P226 or P229 in 9mm - but you gotta go with the guns you actually have!
I'll have something else cool for you guys before too long. I started doing a thread about the Rhineland R22 in the Rimfire section, but that seems to be largely "old hat" for people on this board. Everyone wants that new MP5-style .22 out of Germany (and I want one too, I'm just not holding my breath for things that aren't in the country and registered into the system as restricted or non-restricted).
JDForBrkFst
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Roughly North Central AB
commendable effort, well presented. Thanks.
