glued in actions, BR rifles

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Hello,
I was looking at a nice BR rifle which has a glued in action. Not really keen on this format. Question is, can the action be removed w/o a lot of problems from the stock? Or is there chance of breakage?
Thks,
 
Maybe.
You are going to have to break the epoxy bond.
Sometimes freezing the rifle, then tapping the barrelled action can pop it loose.
If the rifle is sound, its probably just as easy to leave things as they are.
 
Likely a season of shooting, a few thousand rounds will eventually (but slowly) break down the bond! Ask me how I know :eek: , boy did I screw up when I forgot to use release agent. I was using Bisonite back in the day! :D
 
With scope bases in place and the stock held level in a vise, place an electric iron on the scope bases set at 400 degrees for about 15 or 20 minutes... that should loosen the bond...

With the screws out lift up on the barrel slowly. It should move a little... stop and insert an old barrel or steel rod into the action and lift up on it... go back and forth with lifting the barrel and the rod as it lifts out of the recoil lug...
 
I did it the same way as guntech with an electric iron. No breakage yet.
Check and make sure it's not screwed and glued also. I had to take one of those apart on a heavy Cruiser. Even more fun.
 
It is done

45Auto said:
Hello,
I was looking at a nice BR rifle which has a glued in action. Not really keen on this format. Question is, can the action be removed w/o a lot of problems from the stock? Or is there chance of breakage?
Thks,
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all the time with Bench Rest rifles. Just do as Guntech said. Make sure you remove the screws.

CBY
 
It is not a matter of there being that much movement. The process of gluing actions into stocks of Br rifles started many years ago. Stocks were not as good as they are today. Basically stocks were a lot softer then than they are today. The fear was the stocks being distorted, and undue stresses put on the stock or action. A glue in gave the perfect fit without any stress. There would be no movement with the perfect glue in.

Today the practice is still the premier way of putting a BR rifle together. Nothing is left to chance. The top shooters in the game are bedded, screwed and glued. I have one rifle that is a glue in and another that is just pillar bedded and screwed.

Building a short range rifle is a different animal than the average F-Class rifle. It is not just a rifle, it has to be the PERFECT rifle built by someone who understands the short range game.

CBY
 
The glue-in is the best way to ensure that there is no shift in the bedding. A couple of caveats: The bed still has to be perfectly stress free. The glue job has to be totally secure. Many rifles are sort of "semi-glued". They are screwed and glued but without the prep that might go into a good glue job.
By the way, in comparing a new Kelbly stock to a new 1979 Lee Six stock, I don't see any significant difference in stock rigidity. There is a noticeable improvement in surface finish, mind you. The use of carbon fibre construction does produce a somewhat lighter stock but fibreglass stocks have changed little in the last 35 years. Regards, Bill.
 
Jerry I wish I could give you that answer but I cannot. I am fairly new to the Bench Rest world. I just know what is the preferred method of buildng a WINNING Bench rest rifle. I am not about to re invent the wheel or question why that practice is in place.

CBY
 
there is no differance in accuracy , between a properly bedded glue in or screw in, the key here is that they are done right. no stresses, and straight.
 
Mystic Precision said:
Since both methods are used in SR BR, just wondering what the gains were to a semi permanent set up.

Jerry
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I think the vast majority of winning shooters glue in... There will be very little difference in accuracy between a properly bedded screwed in rifle and a glue in... but the glue in is a perfect bed and more consistent and you don't worry about changes due to screws... and a perfect glue in maybe easier to do than a very good bedding job.
 
Most of the benchrest shooters I have shot with have glue ins ,I guess every edge counts in SR benchrest my 6 ppc is also a glue in.

Jerry maybe glue ins would have an edge on long range also might be worth a try.
 
That is what I am wondering.

In general, these rifles have larger recoil and vibration which can shake a rifle up. Also, these tend to have long heavy barrels which will put a larger load on the various action parts. Again, more leverage to move things around.

SO, if the action is allowed to wiggle in the bedding due to recoil forces, that is bad.

Because of a combination of unlikely events and a bit of luck, I was able to view some movement in one of my actions due to shooting. I going to use it to diagnose what options will work the best.

But there is no point in reinventing the wheel if there is already hard data proving one method vs another.

Thanks for the info guys.

Jerry
 
Just finished bedding a new rifle and out for testing asap. If it shoots as desired, then I will leave as is. But I may just glue in the other one that I know can move.

But then I was also thinking of another less permanent solution.

Interesting...
Jerry
 
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