Goat hunting armament of yesteryear.
- Thread starter chuck nelson
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At 50 I have my work cut out for me next fall I'm still healthy
but at 50 I can afford the best equipment most of it I picked up used but it is still the Best I can find
Wen I was Younger I was lucky to be able to afford ammunition spent many night sleeping under blowdowns as I wasn't able to afford Evan a cheep tent and woke up eaten alive by mosquitoes and deer flys
I still look closely at the cost of ammo befor I get a new rifle $3 or $4 a bullet scares me abit lol
A bad day of hunting is still better than a good day at work
I recall sitting with my back against a boulder with sleet running down my back, soaked and in second stage hypothermia, thinking, I have had better days at work than this..............
I distinctly remember the all the hard days when I've had moments of clarity and thinking, "what am I doing out here and/or I took vacation days for this"....and then do it again the next day, or week, month, year...whatever.
The easy days melt into one another and I mix up the when's and where's about them, but not the rough days.
Not because it's supposed to be a quest for survival, those days happen, do it because we love to hunt, and the hard days always end up being the most memorable because your still around and got through it...to hunt another day.
My Dad, now in his 90's and still kickin', back in the day
The easy days melt into one another and I mix up the when's and where's about them, but not the rough days.
Not because it's supposed to be a quest for survival, those days happen, do it because we love to hunt, and the hard days always end up being the most memorable because your still around and got through it...to hunt another day.
My Dad, now in his 90's and still kickin', back in the day
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Funny how a post like this brings up memories of when we wear young and would do just about anything with out nothing it's a shame the youngsters lost this along the way
I would never trade my days sleeping under logs for the best tent or travel trailer it made me the man I am today
Today I need the tent and I can see a day wear a travel trailer would be nice but till then I'm going to make the most of wat I have just as the old timers befor me did
Any young guy today can still hunt with a 30-30 and can go hunting in bluejeans and a Mack Jacket it's amateur of what stage in life you are in
After losing two uncles I was very close to and realizing how fortunate I was to experience life that most of the guys on CGN will never understand you old guys know what I'm talking about we went through hardships that was out of our control but we stand up and brush the dust off the main thing was we get back up
I have lived the same Life style as my uncles and grandfather and it did it make make me appreciate what i have but also appreciate be also being able to get by with what I don't have
I can do what the young guy can do with a 375 ruger I can and have dun with a 22 LR just at much shorter distances
I would never trade my days sleeping under logs for the best tent or travel trailer it made me the man I am today
Today I need the tent and I can see a day wear a travel trailer would be nice but till then I'm going to make the most of wat I have just as the old timers befor me did
Any young guy today can still hunt with a 30-30 and can go hunting in bluejeans and a Mack Jacket it's amateur of what stage in life you are in
After losing two uncles I was very close to and realizing how fortunate I was to experience life that most of the guys on CGN will never understand you old guys know what I'm talking about we went through hardships that was out of our control but we stand up and brush the dust off the main thing was we get back up
I have lived the same Life style as my uncles and grandfather and it did it make make me appreciate what i have but also appreciate be also being able to get by with what I don't have
I can do what the young guy can do with a 375 ruger I can and have dun with a 22 LR just at much shorter distances
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Full confession I have hunted at night and rob creeks started fish wars rammed other commercial fish boats and bent my share of the law this is how the old timers did it
I try hard not to be this guy anymore but it's not easy when this was how you were brought up
Plus sumone has to be the bad guy on CGN Haahaa
I try hard not to be this guy anymore but it's not easy when this was how you were brought up
Plus sumone has to be the bad guy on CGN Haahaa
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Johnn Peterson
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- Chemainus B.C.
Here's a couple from the early 30's. The first is one of my Dad, Deer hunting on his families homestead west of Edmonton.
And this, of Mr. Joe & Mrs. Betty Wendle who were still residing in Barkerville in '55 when we lived there for a few months. Mrs. Wendle was well known in the area for her accomplishments Grizzly Bear hunting. Her firearm of choice, a 99 Savage, in 22 Savage High Power.
And this, of Mr. Joe & Mrs. Betty Wendle who were still residing in Barkerville in '55 when we lived there for a few months. Mrs. Wendle was well known in the area for her accomplishments Grizzly Bear hunting. Her firearm of choice, a 99 Savage, in 22 Savage High Power.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
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And this, of Mr. Joe & Mrs. Betty Wendle who were still residing in Barkerville in '55 when we lived there for a few months. Mrs. Wendle was well known in the area for her accomplishments Grizzly Bear hunting. Her firearm of choice, a 99 Savage, in 22 Savage High Power.
So um, will a .223 kill a . . . ah never mind.
Neat picture, Chuck. I probably told you about the estate I was called to appraise down in your part of the country. There were stacks of albums filled with photos of hunts guided by Bert Riggall. I would have loved to have those albums.
My grandfathers (I was lucky to have three men who filled the role) would have been hunting in about that same era (1930's?) and their armament would have been as different as the men themselves. The long-time farmer and lumberman would have been carrying a Model 94 in 30/30 which he used for everything for over sixty years of hunting. The mechanic and target shooter would have been using a Springfield or, if the hunt took place in the late thirties, a Model 70 30/06 with Redfield sight. The third man, a logger and avid hunter, would probably have been using his Model 54 Winchester which, according to him, was the most inaccurate rifle he ever owned but was, nonetheless, a "lucky" gun. The first two would have been likely to be on horseback while the third would have walked a long way to avoid a horse.
My grandfathers (I was lucky to have three men who filled the role) would have been hunting in about that same era (1930's?) and their armament would have been as different as the men themselves. The long-time farmer and lumberman would have been carrying a Model 94 in 30/30 which he used for everything for over sixty years of hunting. The mechanic and target shooter would have been using a Springfield or, if the hunt took place in the late thirties, a Model 70 30/06 with Redfield sight. The third man, a logger and avid hunter, would probably have been using his Model 54 Winchester which, according to him, was the most inaccurate rifle he ever owned but was, nonetheless, a "lucky" gun. The first two would have been likely to be on horseback while the third would have walked a long way to avoid a horse.
My Grandfather recorded that during the 20's and 30's they used mostly takedown .22's (Favorite? Remington #6?) for goat. These guys were trapping marten near timberline, apparently days camping in the middle of winter were needed to catch the very scarce marten, but an average brown brought $14 and blacks went up to $27. $15 worth of tea and flour set a guy up for a month, with the rest of the diet being goat meat. He also noted that the 22 ammo of the time was not as powerful as the 22 ammo post-WWII.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
So um, will a .223 kill a . . . ah never mind.
Yes, her choice of a 22 Savage High Power is a far cry from being my first choice. In Barkerville, heading up the street past St. Saviour's church, the Wendle home was about the second building on the right. On the wall of the stairwell heading upstairs and in the upstairs area, there were four or five Grizzly pelt mounts, apparently all taken by her. I was only a kid at that time, '55, but they were an interesting couple to talk with and I did so on a few occasions.
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- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The .22 HP had a reputation as a giant killer, I can only think that Dominion loaded them with an exceptional bullet, that wouldn't shed its core early in its penetration. More likely, the heavy for caliber .228/70 gr bullet wouldn't have produced explosive expansion at 2700 fps, and this balance resulted in good terminal performance. After years of decrying the use of small bore rifles on big animals, I've finally given up, and accept that its tough to argue with meat in the freezer, or hides on the wall, and worse, nobody cares what I think anyway. When I was a kid, the local trapper in our area used a .22 HP as his beaver, bear, deer, moose rifle.
So um, will a .223 kill a . . . ah never mind.
I see what you are doing here ... bahaha
In doing some family history a family member brought this picture back up. I knew it existed and had seen it before. My great grandfather is on the right and his brother on the left. A neighbour is in the middle. There are four mountain goats on the horses. I'm not sure of the year but will hopefully find some information on that. No scopes, no spotting scopes or binos and definitely no Sitka Gear.
Love those quads.
Grizz
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Here's a couple more 'quads' for you. First, a North American 'Quad'Love those quads.
Grizz
And, a Mid East 'Quad'
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
About sums it up, there.
What they used a hundred years ago was by necessity, and it still works, but it doesn't mean ignoring gear improvements is somehow smart or noble. People are softer today, no question modern life has fattened the average joe. In the end as a guide safety is my number one concern, and we're well beyond what horses can work here, all that lightweight and warm modern stuff has an important role. If people like to snicker at it, glad they're amused, but it really doesn't change anything for what works well on the rocks today. Loving the old pics keep em coming.
