Gold ? BCM Gunfighter Charging handle

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WOW, you guys still #####ing about spending over $100 on a charging handle!. GET OVER IT. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it. There are a lot of shooters have no problem what so ever to spend over $100 on a nice BCM gunfighther charging handle. I knew guys spent $600 on a bi-pod, I knew guys spent $300 on a mount...and I knew some guys spent $6000 on a rifle, so...what is wrong with spending $100 for a charging handle??... matter of fact, all mine AR'S are using the BCM, and mine AR-10, it is fast in 3 gun matches. I spent over$100 each on all mine BCM....and I am enjoying it 100% of the time. lol
 
I have a bridge for sale somewhere in Moose Jaw and the first 1911 ever made and handcrafted by old Moses Browning himself for really good prices, six digits each. Are you interested? They will go nicely with the $100 each for charging handles you have :)
 
kinggeorge168 said:
WOW, you guys still #####ing about spending over $100 on a charging handle!. GET OVER IT. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it. There are a lot of shooters have no problem what so ever to spend over $100 on a nice BCM gunfighther charging handle. I knew guys spent $600 on a bi-pod, I knew guys spent $300 on a mount...and I knew some guys spent $6000 on a rifle, so...what is wrong with spending $100 for a charging handle??... matter of fact, all mine AR'S are using the BCM, and mine AR-10, it is fast in 3 gun matches. I spent over$100 each on all mine BCM....and I am enjoying it 100% of the time. lol
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:rolleyes: Talk about missing the point. It has nothing to do with the $100. Most of the guys here have a fair amount of money tied up in their gear and are happy to spend what they have to to get the set up that they want. The problm is in paying over $100 for an item that has a $40 pricetag.

But hey, if calling them cheapskates gets you off then who are we to stand in the way of you having a good time. I suppose you brag about paying over sticker price for your cars too... ;)
 
kinggeorge168 said:
WOW, you guys still #####ing about spending over $100 on a charging handle!. GET OVER IT. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it. There are a lot of shooters have no problem what so ever to spend over $100 on a nice BCM gunfighther charging handle. I knew guys spent $600 on a bi-pod, I knew guys spent $300 on a mount...and I knew some guys spent $6000 on a rifle, so...what is wrong with spending $100 for a charging handle??... matter of fact, all mine AR'S are using the BCM, and mine AR-10, it is fast in 3 gun matches. I spent over$100 each on all mine BCM....and I am enjoying it 100% of the time. lol
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Calm down... you got called out on your ridiculous price and now you have to live with it. Stop trying to justify it to us... you sound silly!:jerkit:
 
kinggeorge168 said:
WOW, you guys still #####ing about spending over $100 on a charging handle!. GET OVER IT. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it. There are a lot of shooters have no problem what so ever to spend over $100 on a nice BCM gunfighther charging handle. I knew guys spent $600 on a bi-pod, I knew guys spent $300 on a mount...and I knew some guys spent $6000 on a rifle, so...what is wrong with spending $100 for a charging handle??... matter of fact, all mine AR'S are using the BCM, and mine AR-10, it is fast in 3 gun matches. I spent over$100 each on all mine BCM....and I am enjoying it 100% of the time. lol
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I dont regret buying it, but frankly I wish I did pay less... not because I don't like it, not because I could not afford it. Just because it would have been cheaper.

Tell me that is stupid and I'll sell you my house for a million. than could enjoy it 100% of the time.
 
angryeyebrows:lol.I think it is the other way around....and I don't have to justify to anybody. This is the price that I paid and this is the price I am selling it for. If you don't agreed or don't like it, move-on. Stop trying to justify mine price to me...you sound silly.
krausb:A BCM VLTOR CH with a price tag of$40?....do you have any? I want 10 if you have any for $40...or you just full of it? I can't even buy a standard CH with $40 . You guys are funny.LOL
 
kinggeorge168 said:
krausb:A BCM VLTOR CH with a price tag of$40?....do you have any? I want 10 if you have any for $40...or you just full of it? I can't even buy a standard CH with $40 . You guys are funny.LOL
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Brownells.

Brownells sells them for $41 to members.

So yes, you can buy them for $40.

Why do you argue? No one cares that you sold it. This is not about you.

This whole thread was fine until you jumped in insulting everyone.
Just be glad I deleted your PM's to me, you can get banned for personal attacks via PM.

Cheers
 
kinggeorge168 said:
angryeyebrows:lol.I think it is the other way around....and I don't have to justify to anybody. This is the price that I paid and this is the price I am selling it for. If you don't agreed or don't like it, move-on. Stop trying to justify mine price to me...you sound silly.
krausb:A BCM VLTOR CH with a price tag of$40?....do you have any? I want 10 if you have any for $40...or you just full of it? I can't even buy a standard CH with $40 . You guys are funny.LOL
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Oh pardon me, $47.99. I do apologize for rounding down... :rolleyes:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=32076/Product/AR_15_M16_BCM_GUNFIGHTER_CHARGING_HANDLE
 
rivetc78 said:
Brownells.

Brownells sells them for $41 to members.

So yes, you can buy them for $40.

Why do you argue? No one cares that you sold it. This is not about you.

This whole thread was fine until you jumped in insulting everyone.
Just be glad I deleted your PM's to me, you can get banned for personal attacks via PM.

Cheers
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Amen!
 
rivetc78 said:
Brownells.

Brownells sells them for $41 to members.

So yes, you can buy them for $40.

Why do you argue? No one cares that you sold it. This is not about you.

This whole thread was fine until you jumped in insulting everyone.
Just be glad I deleted your PM's to me, you can get banned for personal attacks via PM.

Cheers
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Beat me to it! Well said.
 
I jumped in and insulted eveyone...LOL. Look at the first thread...( is it made of gold?). You morons started it. I posted the sale and you (rivetc78)attacks my posting...the moron who started this thread should get banned. I listed the price, and if anyone don't agreed or like the price, don't buy it, go buy it from Brownwell, move the f**k on. It is as simple as that.
Now, oh well!...Brownwell sells it for only $40 some dollars...why you selling the same for $118shipped?....is it made of gold???...LOL
Answer: Brownwell is a U.S company. I bought mine in Canada (there are import&export laws on gun parts, and I will forward this information to customs to see if its allowed, and i assume is allowed, i am sure that will be customs tax and shipping & handling on top of the actual cost....yah, sure....It only cost 40 some dollars at Brownwell.
I am aware of this is not about me. This is about the $118shipped CH. LOL
 
Question: Top notch tactical sells The HKMR556 for $3299.99 . Why we pay $4700+ here?....does it made in gold?....is the priceTag $3299.99 included customs IM/EX tax, and shipping and everything else?....LOL
Cheers all.
 
Madness said:
wow thats some mark up, sucker born every minute I guess
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This has been an interesting THREAD... I am very curious (honestly) what people here think the "mark up" on this item should be.

Brownells retails the BCM Charging Handle for $47.99 and their price to Dealers is $41.03. The cheapest shipping method they offer is $5.35 so that brings the total to $46.38 Dealer Cost plus the minimum $5.00 GST collection fee that Canada Post will add when the package arrives in Canada...

Total landed dealer cost $51.38 not including the cost of any time spent processing the order, doing the receiving, inventory, etc..

So... my question is: What does everyone think is a fair selling price for this item to be sold for by a Canadian reseller? What is a "fair" mark up?

Do you believe that the Canadian retailer should be selling it at $51.38?

Is it fair to add something to that cost price and if so how much exactly do you believe is fair in this specific example?

I am very curious to see what consumers think in this example.

Mark
 
Questar said:
This has been an interesting THREAD... I am very curious (honestly) what people here think the "mark up" on this item should be.

Brownells retails the BCM Charging Handle for $47.99 and their price to Dealers is $41.03. The cheapest shipping method they offer is $5.35 so that brings the total to $46.38 Dealer Cost plus the minimum $5.00 GST collection fee that Canada Post will add when the package arrives in Canada...

Total landed dealer cost $51.38 not including the cost of any time spent processing the order, doing the receiving, inventory, etc..

So... my question is: What does everyone think is a fair selling price for this item to be sold for by a Canadian reseller? What is a "fair" mark up?

Do you believe that the Canadian retailer should be selling it at $51.38?

Is it fair to add something to that cost price and if so how much exactly do you believe is fair in this specific example?

I am very curious to see what consumers think in this example.

Mark
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If I remember economics class (from wayyyyyy back when), a dealer must add at least 70% mark up on basic costs to remain solvent. $51.38 + 70% works out too $87.346. In order to make the item cost marketable the dealer would most likely list at $89.99 or $94.99. At $94.99 a "discount" can be offered to "premium/VIP customers, taking the price back down to $89.99.

This is the very minimum that a dealer would be looking to get out of an item that costs $52. There are all kinds of other fees/taxes/over head that have to come out of the $38.61 the dealer is making in mark up.

Basically you have four choices.
1. Buy from the US and hope it gets here for the least cost and not slag the Canadian guy for doing the best they can in a communist system.
2. Buy from the Canadian dealer for a known price and fairly guaranteed delivery while helping our economy and supporting those who support our sport.
3. Not buy from either and pray that someone will sell one privately without too much profiterring.
4. Do nothing and or ##### about everything.
 
With lower priced items, I believe it is more difficult to price.
Especially something that is readily available to any who just has to pick up the phone.

It is more like,, what can I charge for the convenience of having it in stock locally. $10? $20?

I would say. $69.95, some clients get discounts so the store would still be making $14-$18.

If a retailer has to rely on $40 mark-up on a charging handle to survive...they have other problems.
 
Mark, I'll take a shot at answering your question. Obviously this is only my opinion but in the age of the internet we have truly become a global economy. Why pay more for an article to get it from a Canadian dealer when I can simply go online and order it myself? The item is getting shipped either way.

Brownells has a dealer program in place and sells to them at a discount, your markup is built in but let's use your example;

$41.03 dealer cost
+$5.35 shipping
+$5.00 Canada Post brokerage fee
=51.38 like you already stated

If you change the item cost to the retail figure that Brownells charges you'd get a total of $58.34 with a markup of approx 14%, what's wrong with that? Is their a lot of profit built in? No, but it's a small item. Round it up to $59.99 and be done with it. You're likely to sell more. Higher volume, even at reduced prices can turn into larger profit in the long run.

I'm not in the business, so I may be offbase here but I've heard that markup in the firearms business is small, 20% is a figure I've heard thrown around so those numbers don't seem totally unrealistic to me.

If we take those same numbers;
$41.03
+$5.32 shipping
+$5.00 brokerage
+61%
=$76.41 which is just below what Questar charges.

I normally wouldn't comment on the prices that a dealer charges in Canada but you put the question to us. Is 14% markup too little? Maybe, but you put the price much higher and you run the chance of people shopping elsewhere.

I think the question here should be is 61% too much? I think so.

This doesn't even factor in the fact that you can purchase two of the charging handles in question without requiring paperwork and cutting your shipping and brokerage in half.
 
rivetc78 said:
With lower priced items, I believe it is more difficult to price.
Especially something that is readily available to any who just has to pick up the phone.

It is more like,, what can I charge for the convenience of having it in stock locally. $10? $20?

I would say. $69.95, some clients get discounts so the store would still be making $14-$18.

If a retailer has to rely on $40 mark-up on a charging handle to survive...they have other problems.
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I'm not arguing or disagreeing with your points, just analysing them...

At $69.95 that would give the Retailer a 26.5% Gross Profit Margin... $18.57 in Gross Profit.

Small items are particularly difficult to "cost" and "price" because calculating the "handling costs" on small items is a real issue... as a percentage of value the handling costs can often exceed the value of the goods.

No company can stay in business selling items below cost... the idea some people have that you can "make it up in volume" doesn't work unless you're actually making profit on that volume and you don't have to increase costs in order to handle the increased sales volumes. (For example: If one customer wants to buy 100 of these charging handles in a single order then that's a great volume purchase and the handling costs aren't bad but if 100 customers want 1 unit each then that does not give the same results... 100 invoices... 100 packing steps... 100 hundred mailing packs... 100 payment transactions... etc.).

Every retail operation will have a different cost structure... overhead costs are a combination of many factors... but in the end the retailer will know (or should know) what his/her approximate/estimated operating costs are as a percentage of sales. It might be 10% or 15% or 20% and with small business it can change quickly as you hire another sales person or see various operating costs go up, such as insurance, shipping, hydro, etc.. If a retailer has an operating cost of 15% (which is probably low) and you deduct as well the 4% credit card processing fee off the top, then the actual "profit" that the retailer might see from that initial $18.57 is @ 7.5% or $5.25. If the operating costs are 20% instead of 15% then that profit shrinks to $1.75.

Is that a "fair" mark up?

Mark
 
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