Good antique revolver for backwood shooting?

Fjorden

CGN Regular
Rating - 100%
41   0   0
Looking for a trusty reliable , easy to reload for, antique revolver to use as a shooter, I've been looking at the different models for sale for months, can you help me in my search? A model worth under 2k I'd prefer.

I really like the look of the St-Etienne 1873, anybody got experience with this one?
 
I'm not sure what you are asking for exists, but I'm interested to see what others have to say.

Trusty/reliable, AND easy to load for, AND something that can be used as a shooter (which I read as something that you can shoot hundreds of rounds through without significant parts breakage?) sounds like a lot for under $2k. You might have to pick only one or two of those options if your budget is firm.
 
6 month or a year ago you could have got something solid for under 2k. Not so much now. I like anything that’s 44 Russian myself
 
A Webley 455 antique is my choice for revolver, good mecanic. good accuracy. Overall a 2 barrels 64 cal 4 inch cap could be my first choice, it's a train
 
A Webley is nice and fairly tough but usually around $3k these days. The French 1873 is a sturdy gun and many have been converted to 455 or 45acp but I hate to see more modified. Original chambering is becoming rare.

The German 1879 and 1883 are very simple tanks of a revolver and take 44Russian. Usually under $2000. Not the best ergonomics but you can't have everything.
 
The 1873 are tanks for guns and if you ream them out a hair they will take 455 Webley which is easy to find factory and reload for. They are getting expensive too. Nice ones are around $2300-$2500, junkers and rough ones seem to be in the $1800 range. I personally prefer the S&W double action in 44 russian but they run from 2500 and up.
 
A Webley is nice and fairly tough but usually around $3k these days. The French 1873 is a sturdy gun and many have been converted to 455 or 45acp but I hate to see more modified. Original chambering is becoming rare.

The German 1879 and 1883 are very simple tanks of a revolver and take 44Russian. Usually under $2000. Not the best ergonomics but you can't have everything.

Those reichsrevolvers are bloody massive! You could use one as a club for self defense if necessary! lol
 
What exactly do you consider easy to reload? I personally don't think almost any of the main-line military or widely available commercial rounds of the mid-late 19th century are really that difficult to reload, unless you are getting into pretty obscure stuff like 11mm Welij, Perrin/Galand cartridges or things like lip-fire and cup-fire. It would seem though that many think any caliber that doesn't have readily-available brass from the starline catalogue and a convenient 3-die carbide set is *impossible* to reload for.

The 1873 Chamelot's are a good choice - the reichsrevolver seems to come up pretty much every time there is one of these thread but almost nobody ever actually likes that answer. Respectfully I would agree with the idea that the Webley family and anything in .44 Russian would be the absolute simplest, however under $2000 means you will have to work for it and deal hunt. The deals definitely do exist though, I have not paid more than $300 for any of my antique handguns that I've bought over the past ~4 years now, all but two being SA/DA centerfire revolvers, you will have to venture far beyond the reaches of the CGN EE for deals like this though.

On round count you could maybe ask user "Moe" who pretty extensively shot his Webley MP, possibly others will chime in but I have my doubts - nobody on this subforum seems to like to talk about serious or otherwise excessive round-counts
 
What exactly do you consider easy to reload? I personally don't think almost any of the main-line military or widely available commercial rounds of the mid-late 19th century are really that difficult to reload, unless you are getting into pretty obscure stuff like 11mm Welij, Perrin/Galand cartridges or things like lip-fire and cup-fire. It would seem though that many think any caliber that doesn't have readily-available brass from the starline catalogue and a convenient 3-die carbide set is *impossible* to reload for.

The 1873 Chamelot's are a good choice - the reichsrevolver seems to come up pretty much every time there is one of these thread but almost nobody ever actually likes that answer. Respectfully I would agree with the idea that the Webley family and anything in .44 Russian would be the absolute simplest, however under $2000 means you will have to work for it and deal hunt. The deals definitely do exist though, I have not paid more than $300 for any of my antique handguns that I've bought over the past ~4 years now, all but two being SA/DA centerfire revolvers, you will have to venture far beyond the reaches of the CGN EE for deals like this though.

On round count you could maybe ask user "Moe" who pretty extensively shot his Webley MP, possibly others will chime in but I have my doubts - nobody on this subforum seems to like to talk about serious or otherwise excessive round-counts

Something that I do not need to ''convert'' brass like using another caliber and cutting it down or cast my own bullets 'cause you can't find in in store.
 
IMO it’s not worth it given the cost of antiques and the possibility of some trumped up charges that’ll cost you even though you’ve done nothing wrong. There’s no recourse to that in canukistan. The money is better spent trying to get the stupid laws abolished in the first place so we can take useful firearms into the bush.
 
I have to agree that with a $2k cap you would be hard to find a good revolver that will put up with that use. As for reloading even the less modern calibers it is easy to reload. Some like 41 Colt might be a little more challenging to get accurate but you will get it to shoot well eventually. I agree with others here that a Reichsrevolver in 44 Russian or an St-Etienne 1873 would be fairly easy to find in your price range and would run well. As for the Webley's I don't think you will find any in that price range that would be worth the trouble unless you could find a solid frame RIC or MP. Had both and they are tanks. I would stay away from rimfires, pinfires etc if plinking is your thing and tricky reloading isn't.

Cheers
Moe
 
Something that I do not need to ''convert'' brass like using another caliber and cutting it down or cast my own bullets 'cause you can't find in in store.

Ok - this is pretty rapidly closing the door on the budget then, if you want to use only stock components you pretty much have the options of: .44 Russian, .455/.450 Webley, .38 Special and .45 ACP conversions as well as *maybe* .41 Colt + .45 Schofield.

These guns are all very popular with the antique shooting crowd and the limit of $2000 is again going to be your problem. You will not likely get anything in .38 Special, .41 Colt or .45 Schofield in this range.

You will now be basically limited to: a bulldog type revolver in .44 Russian or .455/.450 - these will quite likely not meet the round count stipulation but as occasional shooters do fine. Additionally you may fine some variety of Webley MP in the .455/.450 calibers. Your other choice will be .45 ACP/AR most commonly found converted in Webley top breaks and Chamelot 1873's - as mentioned by others the prices on these are very much going up and up every day
 
Hello Fjorden. I thought I might as well chime in on this because I've got all of the guns that have been mentioned except for a Smith and Wesson Model 3 or First Model Double Action. I just recently sold a Chamelot & Delvigne Model 1873 that was reamed out to .455 Webley. In 2 years I fired upwards of 400 rounds of Fiocchi factory ammo through it and it never missed a beat. I am not certain that the Fiocchi ammo is hotter than the older factory loaded .455 but I have spoken to several people with that belief so I agree. The gun is like the Energizer bunny, just keeps going and going. It still had perfect timing and there were no signs of stress on the cylinder or frame. That is your best option with your budget.
I'm going to mention something that will probably P.O. a few people. I'm going to refer you to a dealer who isn't a CGN dealer because Antiques are one offs, there isn't one of the CGN dealers with a shelf full of that model. Talk to Chris at oldgunscanada.com . He is a great guy to deal with and he won't knowingly sell a piece of junk. He doesn't sell shooters per se, he sells primarily to collectors that are interested in preserving these Antiques, not wearing them out. He has an 1873 for $1,675 that is all there mechanically. It's exterior is rough looking but that's the good part with these ones. Since they were finished In The White, there's no blueing or Nickel plate. Disassemble the gun into it's parts and start polishing with sandpaper or Scotch Brite pads. I took mine from looking like it was found in a bog to looking like a piece of jewellery in one afternoon. Just remember to CLP the finished gun well so it doesn't revert back to it's old appearance right away. So for $1,675 plus tax and shipping and then about $100-$200 to the gunsmith or machinist who'll give your cylinders a ream. So there you would have an Antique shooter that you could fire factory ammo no worries and carry around in a holster on your belt all day long ( in the backwoods of course ) for well under your budget. The On Target .455 ammo from Rustywood is decently priced and nicer than the Fiocchi because it's Starline brass, not the Fiocchi brass with the small primer.

I also have an 1883 model Reichsrevolver that, as everybody agrees, is built like a tank. I think it is peculiar looking , as do many people, so there it gets a lot of haters who've looked at pictures but never held one or fired one. It has no problem with factory .44 Russian or the Rustywood loaded .44 Russian. Admittedly I've only fired it about 80 shots but it feels sturdier than any of my Antiques, actually more like a 20 year old gun than a 127 year old gun.

The French 1892 is an awesome shooter as well with factory 8mm Lebel Revolver ammo. It is hard ammo to find now and those dealers that still have stock are selling it for ridiculous amounts. But it's a fairly easy to reload for cartridge. It is a peashooter and nothing like the .455 or .44 so if powerful was also a criteria then this one's out.

I have a Webley MP that I've shot about 250 times that is still doing fine. But it is such a beautiful revolver that I won't shoot it anymore. Prices on all the Webley models are going up though and you are exceedingly unlikely to find anything close to $2,000 that works properly ( I paid $3,900 for one in Excellent condition ) Also don't bother with the Belgian Webley knock offs. They are great for collecting but not great for shooting. I have an unfired Bulldog clone that, even though it's basically a brand new gun, I wouldn't shoot because it would probably pack it in pretty quick. In their day they were not considered to be shooters. You only fired it when your life was in danger, not going out plinking.

If you are offered a centerfire Colt for around $2,000 I would be very wary. They are beautiful guns but I would think that anything reliable enough to shoot will be north of $3,500. They are like women in that we are dazzled by their good looks and only find out that they're a basket case once you've brought them home to stay. All of the double action Colt's that are Antiques have kind of frail and unnecessarily complicated actions that are quite the opposite of the single action Colt's from that era. I have an 1889, 1895, 1877 Thunderer and a New House Revolver in .41 Long Colt as well as an 1878 in .455 Webley. They all work alright but I wouldn't shoot them because they are too fragile to risk destroying. They aren't making any new Antique Colts.

So there's my two bits on the topic. At least what I can personally attest to. Like I said I haven't owned a Smith and Wesson centrefire Antique yet so I will leave the comment on them for experienced people. I would definitely get one, I just have to get this destructive Colt addiction under control first.
All told, the OP's idea of the 1873 is the best candidate for the criteria he presented, in my opinion.
Cheers all
 
What Egon said!!!! I've dealt with Chris from Old Guns Canada and he is indeed a fine gentleman to deal with. I could not find an antique status revolver that suited my need for under $2800. I had several S&W's in .44 Russian pass through my hands before I found my "keeper". This is the 4th., and hopefully, the last one I'll ever purchase. It has the long barrel, the partridge style foresight, and it's mechanically perfect. Even the barrel only has minor black powder pitting so I'd rate it (conservatively) as 8.5/10. For a 136 yr. old pistol, it's astoundingly nice condition. I confess that I did have to touch up a bad bluing job on the barrel. It was $1700 more than the OP has budgeted, but it'll last my lifetime, components are comparatively easy to get if you wish to reload or available from Fiocchi or Rusty Woods.
 
My 1873 JD Leveaux .455 is not for sale but yes they are very fine and slick action SA/DA revolvers. Shoots factory 455 Webley easy. They were one of if not the first SA/DA cylinder side swing revolvers ... Yes try and find one, this one is in excellent condition and came with an RCMP antique letter. They are around sometimes.... I got rid of my Webleys, a Ste Etienne + a Swiss when I obtained this model. Fun and very accurate to shoot. Reloading is fairly cheap, shooting 265gr HBLead from Jet, and 3.8grs Bullseye in mine
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom