Good "Beginner's" sporting/hunting arm?

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With the sale of a Glock pending, I want to buy a sporting arm that could also be justified for hunting...either or; hey, I got a big safe, might as well fill it up. :wink:
Looking for something reliable yet inexpensive, easy clean & takedown and will just teach me the basics of a gun. Shotgun or rifle, Any suggestions welcome! :)
 
mr00jimbo said:
With the sale of a Glock pending, I want to buy a sporting arm that could also be justified for hunting...either or; hey, I got a big safe, might as well fill it up. :wink:
Looking for something reliable yet inexpensive, easy clean & takedown and will just teach me the basics of a gun. Shotgun or rifle, Any suggestions welcome! :)

Hunting WHAT?

gopher guns are not particularly reliable on Grizlies
 
The simplicity of a break open single shot action recommends itself to an absolute beginner. But since you obviously have some familiarity with firearms, it probably doesn't matter so much. Different action types have different pros and cons. It is important that you find what fits you well, as you probably already know from your handgun shooting, if you dislike a firearm for any reason, you probably won't shoot it very well.

The bolt action has become almost the default hunting type, so if "beginner's" means there is a significant chance you aren't going to keep it, this might be the type to choose with an eye to selling it on when you fancy something else. (But only if you are an unsentimental type - as a beginner, taking your first deer with it may create too strong an attachment to a rifle to allow selling it. I can't sell mine, which is also my first Lee Enfield and was a Christmas present from the then girl-friend.)

If "beginner's" means you don't want to spend a lot in case you decide not to like it that much, or want the scope to enjoy upgrading later, the low cost options new are the Stevens 200 bolt-action and NEF Handi-Rifle which are available in a good selection of calibres for well under $400. (And perhaps the Mossberg ATR100, but they come only in .270Win and 30-06, and don't seem to have attracted any great reviews like the Stevens 200, and they aren't much cheaper.)

For a little more you can have an H&R Ultra single shot, which is essentially a nicer NEF, or a Savage package of their model 11 or 111 rifle already fitted with an unremarkable, but probably satisfactory scope, and if you are careful you will probably find you get their desireable Accu-trigger with it. There are entry-level versions of the Remington 700, the discontinued ADL and its successor the SPS which aren't much more. Just be careful not to fall for Remington's answer to the Savage package, which I won't even mention the name of for fear of provoking one the loathe-fest threads that always seem to arise when beginners ask about the 710. Oh $%*!, I've said it. :oops: Sorry.

Stick to commonly available calibers popular for hunting in your region. Even if you really fancy something exotic, that can be an excuse to have the fun of buying another gun later.

The other way to keep costs down is to buy used. What to look for in terms of type, make and model is the same as for new guns. If you are confident you can judge the condition of a used gun, and you are patient, you will probably find something suitable and bargainesque, perhaps even right here in our very own Exchange Forum.

And if money is no object, well, the choices just proliferate, and you probably don't need to ask then, do you?

Good luck, and good hunting. :)
 
Wow! Thanks for the amazing replies! I saw in the exchange forum a single-shot break-action 12 ga. for 120. It looks beautiful, and is probably a great gun, but if I would imagine follow up to be a PITA.
308 seems to be a popular round. Would you all recommend it over, say a 30-06?
 
.308 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield both fit my criteria of a commonly available and popular hunting round. They use the same diameter of bullet and have similar ballistic performance, except the 30-06 being a larger case can accommodate heavier weight bullets (same diameter but longer) than the .308, and the extra propellant to drive them. That makes it a better all-round choice if you anticipate using it for the largest game, e.g. moose and grizzly bears, and especially for dangerous game, i.e. those grizzly bears. (But then again, if you start hunting grizzlies, most people will clamour for you to use something bigger than the 30-06. ) The shorter .308 cartridge allows a shorter action on the rifle, for slightly less weight (but check, not all manufacturers always take advantage of that opportunity.) Most shooters will also feel the recoil of the .308 significantly less than that of a 30-06, but the weight of a rifle (absorbs energy of recoil) and how well it fits the shooter can make a lot of difference.

When I mentioned the Mossberg rifle being available "only" in .270 and 30-06, I didn't mean these weren't good for your purposes. Both are popular and common, for the very good reason that they are good general purpose big-game cartridges.
 
Any bolt action. pump action (I can't believe I just wrote that! LoL) or lever action in .308, 30-06 or .270 will kill 99.9% of the game animals found here in BC. The ammo is also very easy to find, hell even Canadian Tire offers a good selection for all of them.
 
Stevens 200 bolt action in .308

A good bolt action is: accurate, simple, reliable, safe and durable

You can use it for a variety of target shooting, hunting for anything in N. America and the ammo is cheap and readily available.
 
I'd have to go with 1899 on this one, a decent quality bolt gun in 308 would be a good choice, lots of rifles and ammo (cheap and premium) available, the cheap ammo is important to promote practice.

This is not what I hunt with but it is what I would recommend to a newbie, he can always sell and upgrade later while still keeping the skills acquired while practicing with the cheap ammo, the 308 would do for a lifetime of hunting and is a proven performer in the field.
 
Up until now I had no idea that you could hunt a bear! How would a 12 ga. work for hunting? I'd assume it would destroy it more than just make a smaller wound in killing say, a deer? Course I know nothing about hunting.
 
Jimbo, everybody needs a .22 rifle anyway. Everybody. Since you have no longarms at all, start there first. There are plenty of decent rifles out there, new and used, at reasonable prices. Pick something simple like a mag.-fed bolt action. You need to learn how to shoot a rifle properly and accurately. There's no point in you starting out with a .308 or .30-06 as your learning rifle - doesn't make sense for you. You can get 500 rounds of .22 ammo for $15, and that will cover a lot of shooting, which is what you need to do. I'm guessing you do not hold a rifle comfortably yet - it should feel natural later because you are going to have to do it thousands of times. You can hunt gophers, squirrels and grouse with a .22, so start there. That's how you can train your eyes and ears to begin hunting. Don't go after grizzlies just yet - baby steps.

Next is a shotgun. 12 ga is most versatile, but a 20 ga. can do just fine on grouse, ducks, geese, turkey and deer within it's capabilities. A pump is simplest. Now you've got to learn how to wingshoot, which is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from shooting a rifle. Your best bet is to take lessons at a trap/skeet club. You've no bad habits to unlearn just yet. Barring that, find a competent shot who will take you out and show you what to do and who knows how to teach it.

Hunting is very different from target shooting. Different firearms, different equipment, different skills. Cut your teeth hunting small game and birds, become familiar with rifle shooting and shotgunning, and then move up to big game like deer and bear.

Say goodbye to your bank account! :lol:
 
todbartell said:
12 gauge pump

lever action 30-30

bolt action 30-06

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I like Rem & mossberg for pump shotguns, Marlins for Levers, and Remington for bolt guns.

DON:T CHEAP OUT. try not to be pursuaded to buy some cheap peice of #### for your first rifle. if you decide to stay a hunter a nice firearm will be a sound investment, if you don;t, a nice firearm will hold it resale better.

a .270 or a .30-06 will kill anything that walks in BC. ammo is available anywhere, and they are mild recoilers. there is nothing simpler then a bolt action. (single shots not withstanding)
 
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