Good bolt action rifle needed...

savage-man said:
Yes I really like what im seeing at Teadeex, my problem is I dont know anything about Mauser action rifles. I see Husqvarna rifles like the M96, M98 and 1600. For around $500 what is the best model to look at? Is the M98 or the 1600 a better rifle? Is the M98 and 1600 drilled for scope mounts?? Are there any other makes worth looking at for $300-$600??

I see that the 1600 is chambered for 30-06 but not military rounds like 8X57 or 9.3X57 like the M98 is. What is the best choice for a casual hunter that doesnt reload? Can you buy hunting rounds in 8X57 and 9.3X57?? What is the better round for Deer/Moose/Bear?? Is the FN action the action used by the Axis power in WW2?? Can you scope a M98 due to the rear safety and bold handle??

Please answer as many as you can, thanks
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IIRC, the 1600 is an improved small ring M96 commercial action, the M98 is a large ring.
The M98 is stronger with better gas handling capability than a M96.

For a non reloader I would skip the 9.3 and go with a more common round, 6.5x55, 8x57, 30-06 etc...

A M98 is easy to scope, you just use slightly higher scope rings.

Once again IIRC, FN stands for Fabrique Nationale and means it is a commercial sporter action not military.


If I'm wrong on any of this please let me know. :)

Richard
 
Here are some pictures that might help. :)

BRNO ZG-47.
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BRNO 21H, pictures by Noel.
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Mauser 98.
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Richard
 
Nechako--> That NG-47 is very nice for sure!! I also like the looks of that Mauser 98, what make and model is it?? Do they make something like that with open sights?? Just my stupidity here but dont 98's have silver bolts?? Damn I really like that 98!!
 
The M98 is a custom I bought off a CGN member.

It is built on a military M98 action and chambered in 9.3x62 with a Lothar Walther barrel, set trigger and EAW pivot mounts.

I love the EAW mounts, if they weren't so expensive I would use them on all my rifles.

The bolt was blued when the previous owner had the rifle built.

Richard
 
Out of curiosity what did that cost you?? :)
Is $750 usually the going rate for a ZG-47 in good shape??
Does any other company make a Sporter rifle on the M98 bolt and receiver??

Is a ZG-47 worth $250 extra over a Husky 1600?? Will I notice a big diff in the levels of quality of the M98, 1600, and ZG-47??
 
Savageman,

My two bits for what its worth...

Unless the rifle is something special and/or I know the history/owner I like to buy new rifles. You know where you are starting out from and if there is something wrong with it you are probably covered by the manufacturer.

I'm sure that some used rifles shoot well and some don't... My point here is that a rifle doesn't generally wear out, your patience with it will first if it is not right or not right for you. For a few hundred bucks more get a new CZ 550 Lux in 3006 or a new M70 Winnie - be happy and proud rather than hopefull. Both will be under 1k unscoped and both are strong Mauser actions.

You can spend less for a Savage, Tika, Browning, or Remington. They are all fine rifles that will generally shoot well. You did however say that you wanted a Mauser action and it will cost a little more and you may well be very much happier with it.
 
savage-man said:
Out of curiosity what did that cost you?? :)
Is $750 usually the going rate for a ZG-47 in good shape??
Does any other company make a Sporter rifle on the M98 bolt and receiver??

Is a ZG-47 worth $250 extra over a Husky 1600?? Will I notice a big diff in the levels of quality of the M98, 1600, and ZG-47??
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Listen, I shall put this in context for you.
I paid Australian $1650.00 for a ZG 47 nine years ago and I got an absolutely smashing deal.
I paid Australian $2750.00 for my Brno Model 21 seven years ago, and was happy to part with the coin.....you lucky so-and-so's are able to purchase these arms for UNDER $800.00......stop quibling about the price and buy the bloody things, "THEY ARE CHEAP".

The only way you can get a better deal is if some sod pays you to take them.


Ps, and if one of you characters posts and says that someone did precisely that I will kick your goldfish to death.....out of sheer spite!
 
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J Stuart said:
Listen, I shall put this in context for you.
I paid Australian $1650.00 for a ZG 47 nine years ago and I got an absolutely smashing deal.
I paid Australian $2750.00 for my Brno Model 21 seven years ago, and was happy to part with the coin.....you lucky so-and-so's are able to purchase these arms for UNDER $800.00......stop quibling about the price and buy the bloody things, "THEY ARE CHEAP".

The only way you can get a better deal is if some sod pays you to take them.


Ps, and if one of you characters posts and says that someone did precisely that I will kick your goldfish to death.....out of sheer spite!
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I paid $250 for my ZG, is that cheap enough? :D

Richard
 
J Stuart said:
Yes, but I will bet London to a brick that you genuinely appreciate the scope of your good fortune.


Ps, your goldfish is in serious jeopardy.
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Just wait till you see what I bought. :D

It's a 21H that has been sitting for years, never hunted with and only a box of ammo through it.

I got a great deal on it too. :D

I'm really looking forward to seeing this thing.

Richard
 
Please post some pic's when you receive it......you are going to thoroughly enjoy hunting/shooting with that rifle.

What cartridge ?


Ps, I have owned/used an awful lot of quality firearms over the years, but none have given me the pleasure that my My 21 has.
 
It is an 8x57 and I'll post lots of pics. :)

It's the 21H in the two pics I posted, they are some of the ones Noel sent me.
The rifle is coming from somebody he knows so he took some pictures for me.

The reason I got the ZG so cheap is because a friend of my Dads was selling a few of his rifles and was happy to find a young guy (I'm 19) that would appreciate and enjoy it for years to come.
He knew what it was worth but he said he only wanted $250.

Little did he know what he started. :D

Richard
 
Unless you are on a tight budget I would go with a BRNO.
They are considered by many to be some of the finest classic rifles around and are very popular for building into customs.

Looking at the large number of Husqvarna rifles available they should be around for a while.

Buy both, just get the BRNO first. :)

The Accurate Reloading forums have lots of good info if you want to do more research.

Here is a 21H, it needs some love but could be nice. I would ask for pictures of the modifications before buying it though.
http://www.tradeexcanada.com/index.php?option=com_paxgallery&task=view&gid=5&iid=2020

Whatever rifle you buy I would suggest you get it bedded, the stocks on both Huskys and BRNOs have a tendency to crack at the tang/grip.

Richard
 
Considered by many my arse, they are some of the finest classic rifles.


Do not purchase that Model 21 as it has some filing on the rear of the receiver.....if you are going to purchase a Model 21, hold out for a very good one as it will be a lifetime investment.
You can live with a lot of things, a few dings on the stock, some blueing missing, butt-pads etc missing or damaged, BUT NOT a rifle that has had the action stuffed with......... unless it is tastefully done by a Master of his trade.
 
That is why I suggested he get some pictures, who knows it could be fairly minor or it could be a hack job, only looking at it will tell.

Yes it is better to wait for a perfect one but they are hard to find and don't come cheap. :)

Richard
 
Nechako said:
That is why I suggested he get some pictures, who knows it could be fairly minor or it could be a hack job, only looking at it will tell.

Yes it is better to wait for a perfect one but they are hard to find and don't come cheap. :)

Richard
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I know, that is why I paid so much for mine...it does not look so pretty now, but that is fine as the wear and tear is all mine.
 
That fellow got a smashing deal, still in the grease is every mans dream !

It is the same length/calibre as mine.
 
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