Good for hunting but not for range?

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I was firing some of these rounds at the range last week but the RO told me it was not allowed at the range....because it is steel core (yes, she had a magnet with her). So is it still ok to use for hunting since it is SP but steel core? I am in Quebeckistan....
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How can a soft point bullet be steel core? Most likely copper washed steel jacket. I would expect a RO to know the difference.
Break down a round and cut the bullet in half. Show it to the RO next time you go to the range. Education can overcome ignorance.
 
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Guide de chasse Gouv du Qc.
Prohibited : des balles traçantes et des balles à pointe dure de type militaire et à bout non écrasant;
Answer: no, you cannot hunt with those if bullet jacket is steel.
 
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tiriaq said:
How can a soft point bullet be steel core? Most likely copper washed steel jacket. I wound expect a RO to know the difference.
Break down a round and cut the bullet in half. Show it to the RO next time you go to the range. Education can overcome ignorance.
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This. I got a few bullets that fail the magnet test, but the jacket is thin steel. Litterly will crush with pliers. None are steel core. None will cause any extra damage to backstop, or go thru steel target any easier..
 
tiriaq said:
How can a soft point bullet be steel core? Most likely copper washed steel jacket. I wound expect a RO to know the difference.
Break down a round and cut the bullet in half. Show it to the RO next time you go to the range. Education can overcome ignorance.
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It does not matter. Steel core ammo, or steel jacketed bullet are not permitted on range. If you want to fight it, call the CFO. It’s written black on white in the range agreement. The RO was right not to allow it.
The RO apply the range rules has per the Club agreement.
On top of it, a firing line is not a court house. If a shooter have any beef, he take it to the Directors or Club admin.
 
Janeau said:
Guide de chasse Gouv du Qc.
Prohibited : des balles traçantes et des balles à pointe dure de type militaire et à bout non écrasant;
Answer: no, you cannot hunt with those.
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Tracer, hard point and non-expanding? You can't hunt with those.
The rounds posted are soft point. Wouldn't they be OK for hunting?
 
OkayShooter said:
This. I got a few bullets that fail the magnet test, but the jacket is thin steel. Litterly will crush with pliers. None are steel core. None will cause any extra damage to backstop, or go thru steel target any easier..
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Read above. Steel core or steel jacket are called penetrator, non expanding bullet.
The CFO issuing the Range agreement disagree with you. They are not permitted.
 
So, a soft point bullet designed by the manufacturer to expand can be classified as a non-expanding bullet?
 
I think there's something being lost in translation here- there's a big difference between steel-cored and steel jacketed ammunition. If they're designed to expand upon impact, which softpoints are, the construction of the jacket is inconsequential.
 
tiriaq said:
Tracer, hard point and non-expanding? You can't hunt with those.
The rounds posted are soft point. Wouldn't they be OK for hunting?
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I would shoot one in a bern, wood or other, and see if it stays whole or mushroom. Soft point on a steel jacketed bullet will not expand much…but you are right..the regs just says - military bullet with no crushing tips- not allowed. Thats all that it said.
 
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A lot of expanding hunting ammunition is made with coated, thin, soft steel jackets, and expands normally. Particularly European ammunition. It is just wrong to say that if a bullet jacket is steel it will not expand. Bullet design and construction determine whether it will expand.
 
Janeau said:
Read above. Steel core or steel jacket are called penetrator, non expanding bullet.
The CFO issuing the Range agreement disagree with you. They are not permitted.
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No they are not. Why should we listen to you? You cannot admit that you have idiots at your club that you allow to shoot the baffles, as long as they dont use steel core to damage your precious baffles. Penetrator is armor piercing. I have a steel target I'm looking at, that was shot by 303 soft points and Hinterberg FMJ that guess what damaged it more? If steel jacket was a penetrator, it would cause more damage. But it didn't. So there is real world science.
 
Those are soft point, expanding bullets. They expand, period.

The case is steel. The bullet jacket may include soft steel but that's not exactly uncommon. The bullets were designed to expand.
 
Janeau said:
It’s not clear how the magnet test was made. Steel case does not matter. If bullet jacket is steel, it will not expand. But if copper, it will.
I would shoot one in a bern, wood or other, and see if it stays whole or mushroom.
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Steel jacketed ammo does still expand if designed to, IE hollow or soft points. As was mentioned before, mild steel jackets are still common in some European designs. Even Winchester used a steel jacket insert in their FailSafe bullets of yesteryear, which are regarded as some of the finest hunting bullets they made. Steel is definitely trickier to work with as a jacket material than copper, but it can be made to do the same thing.
 
I dissected the round...solid lead core. Jacket is very thin what looks like copper but obviously has some steel in it. Are we nit picking here???


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Can't see this doing damage at any range.
 
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Ed Smurf said:
I dissected the round...solid lead core. Jacket is very thin what looks like copper but obviously has some steel in it. Are we nit picking here???


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Can't see this doing damage at any range.
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Yeah the magnet test is a stupid test. As it doesnt mean steel core. Then you got these people that think the thin bi metal jacket will make the sun implode if used.
 
Ed Smurf said:
So I will bring this dissected round to the range and see what the specialist(s) tell me.
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Lol specialist..

Smaller craters ( ones that look like it was hit by a center punch ) are bi metal jacket FMJ. The big ones and the missing chunks are soft points.

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The MFS is soft steel jacket w-Zinc plating (and looks like copper wash). RE Hunting, I found this Gel-test on YT:
http s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ky_xMhgD74

Can someone with good command of translation show the "Range Agreement" in English? J. has referred to this but not Quoted it. This has been debated the same way in another thread (or more) RE the Steel jacket v. Steel core. It's hard to accept that a CFO is this ignorant, so there may be some un-stated circumstance like possible sparks causing fire??

MFS/Ruag says the soft steel jacket is a 'mushrooming' design. > in this description : http s://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/500rds-762x39-mfs-125gr-steel-cased-zinc-plated-sp-ammo

PS - Glad I'm not living in Kubekistan !!
 
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