GOOD or BAD? - Rem 700 XCR Long Range Tactical in 338LM

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Hello,

I am looking to build on a 338LM platform and am considering a Remington 700 XCR Long Range Tactical in 338LM. Has anyone heard anything good or bad about these. I cannot find anything about them, review wise, online. I have found information on the Rem 700P MLR but nothing on these units. I have had numerous Rems trued and rebarreled but I haven't heard anything about these in the 338LM platform.

'Factual' opinions welcome.

Thanks

Steve

 
Same twist, same trigger same action.

The difference is the barrel.

The MLR has a 26 inch (or 24 inch depending on where you measure it from) heavy barrel that is Comp'ed by porting the barrel itself.

The XCR has a 26 inch fluted barrel with a screw on Comp.

So, pretty much the same other than barrels and colour.
 
I own the MLR in .338LM, and I had the chance at a private shoot to have a good long chat with another gentleman who owned and was shooting his 700 XCR in .338LM.

His basic opinions of the XCR were the exact same as mine to the MLR.

My rifle....



Our rifles tended to shoot just over MOA out of the box with most factory ammo, and can be dropped to a reliable and repeatable 0.75 or 1 MOA with quality handloads.

Both of us intend to have the action bedded, and both of us have purchased replacement muzzle brakes due to the factory brakes kicking up a lot of dirt, small children, and dust. (Both of us happened to separately choose the APA fat bastard)

Neither of us intended to rebarrel until the barrel was shot out, so I can not speak for the rebarreling and truing.

If you go with a large objective lens (ie. 50mm like both of our NF scopes were) on your scope, even with low rings, you will need a cheek riser that raises your cheek by approx. 3/4". The cheek bag style cheek risers only seem to give about 1/4" raise, so you will need to think about a proper solution like a built in cheek piece like the Loggerhead ACP, or a bolt on one like the Karsten Cheek Riser.



With my MLR and 270gr Lost River Ballistic Solid copper bullets, I made a perfect headshot on steel at 900 yards in 4 shots (2 to get on target, 3rd on steel aiming center mass of torso, and a final wind and elevation call to get the headshot), a feat that was almost precisely duplicated later that day by the gentleman with the XCR and hot 300gr SMK handloads, but I didn't get photos of his target.

Here is the hit from my shot, which he duplicated with very close to the same number of shots... My hits are the copper coloured ones.





Conclusions?

The rifles both shoot acceptably well out of the box, quite well with handloads, but can benefit from some tinkering and gunsmithing to improve it further if you are truly very serious about your LR marksmanship.
 
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Same twist, same trigger same action.

The difference is the barrel.

The MLR has a 26 inch (or 24 inch depending on where you measure it from) heavy barrel that is Comp'ed by porting the barrel itself.

The XCR has a 26 inch fluted barrel with a screw on Comp.

So, pretty much the same other than barrels and colour.

I think the MLR brake is threaded on?
 
I think the MLR brake is threaded on?


Correct, but it is either heated and fitted into place to cool and lock in tight, or loctited into place, and apparently one needs a lot of heat to remove it either way, usually a careful application of a blowtorch is the go to method, and done correctly, will not harm the parkerizing.

The point where the brake turns into barrel is well hidden to casual eyes, but can be seen about 1" back from the rearmost porting hole in a very slight line and colour change in the parkerizing.
 
Correct, but it is either heated and fitted into place to cool and lock in tight, or loctited into place, and apparently one needs a lot of heat to remove it either way, usually a careful application of a blowtorch is the go to method, and done correctly, will not harm the parkerizing.

The point where the brake turns into barrel is well hidden to casual eyes, but can be seen about 1" back from the rearmost porting hole in a very slight line and colour change in the parkerizing.

I thought it was a ported barrel.

Cool. Now I can get a better brake for it :)

Would you happen to know the thread/size of it?
 
Kevin M.

i would be interested in how much of an improvement that Fat Bastard brake is for recoil reduction. I'm looking at possibly getting one for my 338LM.
 
Kevin M.

i would be interested in how much of an improvement that Fat Bastard brake is for recoil reduction. I'm looking at possibly getting one for my 338LM.


I have yet to get it installed yet actually. I have it booked to take it to my gunsmith in about two months, where he will install the brake, a bolt knob, and glass bed the rifle.

I'll post up some stats when I get the job done, maybe do a recoil comparison too.

The recoil comparison done on youtube with the rifle was very skewed, as they fired the rifle free recoiling without any brake... and of course it flew off the table, and then it moved about 10" or so with the fat bastard free recoiling.

What I want to know is how it compares to other brakes... I know the remington ported brake is not terribly effective, but it does work. Here is a review I found of it vs a Badger FTE, which is supposed to be a good brake...

http://forum.snipershide.com/sniper...4392-apa-fat-bastard-vs-badger-fte-338lm.html
 
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To answer the earlier question of the thread size for the brake, it is 5/8x24.

Here are a few photos of the brake as it is sent from the factory, it needs to be timed and profiled by a gunsmith or a competent person with a lathe.




I took a few pics from different angles, note how the design of the brake is very similar to baffles on a suppressor, it should be a very effective design for redirecting gas and reducing recoil.






 
One thing to note about the MLR's... *some* Gen I models had BO metal and mags (3 rounds) while *most* of the the Gen II use AI mags (5 rounds). I learned the hard way sourcing mags for my MLR. Fortunately my supplier was willing to take them back. I contacted Remington several times regarding any other identifying features but have not had any success to date.

As Kevin M said... these are in fact true .75MOA rifles out of the box. I load 300gr SMK's and have maintained .75MOA out to 780m. I was hoping to break the 1000m mark this summer but unfortunately things did not go my way.

To date I have managed to tune my rifle well with 300SMK loads, better than the 285gr bullets. To be fair though I did a lot more load development with 300gr over 285. I will pursue that further as time permits. I have had some custom work done to it as well so I hope to be able to tighten the group even more.

All in all I say it is one of the best value rifles available if you are looking at getting into 338LM.
 
Same twist, same trigger same action.

The difference is the barrel.

The MLR has a 26 inch (or 24 inch depending on where you measure it from) heavy barrel that is Comp'ed by porting the barrel itself.

The XCR has a 26 inch fluted barrel with a screw on Comp.

So, pretty much the same other than barrels and colour.

Steverdb,
To add to D 23's post, the XCR barrel/action is 416 stainless steel under the black Trinyte coating where I believe the MLR is parkerized chrome moly. Also the brake on the XCR looks to be an Ops Inc, which worked very well on my previous .300WM.
 
I own the MLR in .338LM, and I had the chance at a private shoot to have a good long chat with another gentleman who owned and was shooting his 700 XCR in .338LM.

His basic opinions of the XCR were the exact same as mine to the MLR.

My rifle....



Our rifles tended to shoot just over MOA out of the box with most factory ammo, and can be dropped to a reliable and repeatable 0.75 or 1 MOA with quality handloads.

Both of us intend to have the action bedded, and both of us have purchased replacement muzzle brakes due to the factory brakes kicking up a lot of dirt, small children, and dust. (Both of us happened to separately choose the APA fat bastard)

Neither of us intended to rebarrel until the barrel was shot out, so I can not speak for the rebarreling and truing.

If you go with a large objective lens (ie. 50mm like both of our NF scopes were) on your scope, even with low rings, you will need a cheek riser that raises your cheek by approx. 3/4". The cheek bag style cheek risers only seem to give about 1/4" raise, so you will need to think about a proper solution like a built in cheek piece like the Loggerhead ACP, or a bolt on one like the Karsten Cheek Riser.



With my MLR and 270gr Lost River Ballistic Solid copper bullets, I made a perfect headshot on steel at 900 yards in 4 shots (2 to get on target, 3rd on steel aiming center mass of torso, and a final wind and elevation call to get the headshot), a feat that was almost precisely duplicated later that day by the gentleman with the XCR and hot 300gr SMK handloads, but I didn't get photos of his target.

Here is the hit from my shot, which he duplicated with very close to the same number of shots... My hits are the copper coloured ones.





Conclusions?

The rifles both shoot acceptably well out of the box, quite well with handloads, but can benefit from some tinkering and gunsmithing to improve it further if you are truly very serious about your LR marksmanship.

Hey Kevin....thanks for giving me more credit than deserved for my shooting that day...LOL!

You definitely had top shot that day!

As for the rifle, the XCR Tactical comes from Remmy with an OPS Inc. brake on it....it works ok, however a better brake like the Fat Bastard will make it shoot softer I'm sure.
I intend to install a better brake, however may spin it on the end of a new barrel when the time comes.
I'm pretty happy with the rifle so far, and love the caliber.
Mine seems to shoot well......I don't have very many pics, however grabbed one of a group shot while sighting in a new scope...NF ATACR which is a beauty.

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Kevin M.
That Fat Bastard Brake looks great. I may have to upgrade the brake on 110 FCP with one of those. Did you buy it in Canada or were you able to order it direct from the manufacture?
 
Hello all,

Thank-you for the excellent comments. It's very appreciated. I picked one up today.

By the way, I was informed that earlier models used HS bottom metal which allows it to be AI'd if one so chooses to do so without having to restock and replace bottom metal. The more recent ones, which try as I may I could only find, use Accurate mags which don't work. Oh well, a straight 338LM is plenty at the moment. For starters, I am going to have it bedded, tac knob installed, trigger tuned and the headspacing checked at the same time.
 
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