good starting load for 9.3X57 (280grain cast bullet)?

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Good day gents, just looking for some advice for a good starting load for 9.3X57 (using bullet barn's 280grain .368" cast bullet)

Any data on your successful or starting loads would be greatly appreciated.

I'm using SR4759 in my Mosin Nagant cast loads with great success so for convenience I wouldn't mind using the same powder (but I am not maried to this idea)

thanks in advance.

Scott
 
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I'd be astonished if you found "published" data for that cartridge/bullet/powder combination. In cases like this you need to interpolate. Here's what's known:

9.3X57 - case capacity is approx 64.29 grs of H2O
358 Win - case capacity is approx 57.56 grs of H2O

Hodgdon publishes a load for the 358 Win for a 250 gr bullet and SR4759 as follows: 26.0 grs SR4759 - 1845 fps - 51.4K CUP

We know that the same load in your 9.3X57 would produce substantially less pressure, since the cartridge has more capacity and the bore is greater in size, so it would be "safe" in a firearm that is designed for 51.4K CUP. You want to use a heavier 280 gr bullet, so that offsets the pressure decrease. You have some choices:

- buy a 250 gr bullet (gas-checked), and load in the 20.0 to 26.0 gr range;
- use the 280 gr bullet (gas-checked) and load in a lower range, e.g. 18.0 to 24.0 grs;
- keep looking for published loads or waiting for them to be produced; or
- run away screaming and buy a different gun.

If it was me (and I would like to buy a 9.3X57 some day), I'd go no higher than 250 grs, and if I used that powder, I'd load in the 22.0 to 28.0 gr range and stop at 1800 fps, whatever comes first. With the 280 gr, I'd use 20.0 to 26.0 grs and stop at 1700 fps.


As "Sanity Checks":

1. "Cartridges of the World" 10th Edition has loads for both the 9X57 and 9.3X57 as follows:

9X57 - 280 gr - 43.0 grs IMR-3031 - 2030 fps
9.3X57 - 286 gr - 43.0 grs IMR-3031 - 2070 fps

That's almost twice as much of a slower powder to produce what should be pretty much a top MV for a 280 gr bullet.

2. AND from "Gunboards"

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?645-Handloading-the-9-3x57

3. AND from "Cast Boolits"

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?162351-280-gr-cast-bullet-loads-9-3x57

"A load that I use for general practice is 23.0 gr of SR 4759 Win Lg Rifle primer. Vel in my rifle is 1506 fps and accuracy is excellent. My bullet is the NOE 290gr. 45.5 gr of Varget will get 2036 fps. These loads are safe in my rifle, use at your own risk."
 
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Thanks Andy, I always enjoy talking reloading with you. So - 18gr of SR4759 with the Bullet Barn 280gr Cast Lead GC bullet should give me a good place to start eh? Sounds dandy, I'm going to invest in a chrono so this should be fun.

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I've been shooting 285 gr cast in my 9.3x62 with decent results. 38.0 gr of H4350.

I've not tried cast in my 9.3x57 yet, but I'd bet 30.0 grains of the same H4350 would be a very good place to start.

My bullets are plain base BTW, cast from WW and water dropped.
 
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I'm a new ( and somewhat pleased with the handling anyhow) owner of a 9.3 X 57 and will be looking at loading a little lighter grainage bullet for Whitetail / Muledeer.
Read in passing of someone loading a practice round with 9 X 18 Markov bullets, I've an Keith style 158 gr HB mold at home. I'm wondering if these might be shootable in a 9.3.
The Hollow base should bump up to .366 quite handily. Should it work well I'll post back.
 
Report back on the Keith style HB .357 handrolled bullets.
With WW as cast material they work pretty decent over 40 gr of 4895. As my dies are still enroute from C & h I just ran the neck up into a 357 crimping die.
I'm not a big paper puncher but they seem to be accurate and blow through a 4 X 4 at 30 paces pretty handily.
Impromptu, yes but good for plinking
 
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