Goodbye Glock

Xman said:
Sorry to say this to you but you live in a world of fantasy dude. :D Have a look around the internet and book stores for Glock data and testimonies.

The S&W M&P is being issued to the US troops in the Golf and they are already having serious problems with them.

Nice wishful thinking though.:)
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Look around the internet and you will see stories of 20 thousand NYPD glocks that need to be repaired for phase 3 malfunctions. You will also see stories of Glock replacing all 1500 Edmonton Poilce Service Pistols due to broken frame rails and cracked frames. This was after a Glock spontaneously disharged in a Calgary Police Service Tactical team members holster shooting the member in the leg.

Are the Glocks bad? No. Are the M&P's going to break and have problems? Yes.

But the Glock kool-aid drinkers are way too funny. ;) :D
 
dajoker said:
Look around the internet and you will see stories of 20 thousand NYPD glocks that need to be repaired for phase 3 malfunctions. You will also see stories of Glock replacing all 1500 Edmonton Poilce Service Pistols due to broken frame rails and cracked frames. This was after a Glock spontaneously disharged in a Calgary Police Service Tactical team members holster shooting the member in the leg.
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Not to mention the infamous Glock frame recalls and kabooms with .40 cal guns...
 
okcorral1881 said:
I am left-handed and I have to use 2 hands to release my empty mag on a G22 and that on a combat/survival gun is totally inexcusable!

I am ordering a S&W M&P40 today!:cool:
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Seeing as the majority of pistols out there come with a mag release on the left hand side of the pistol, you may want to try and review the way you engage the mag release.
I use my trigger finger (lefty) and use the stock slide catch and extended mag release. I sanded and smoothed the corners of the release for a more comfortable grip.
 
Nester said:
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Glock must be tickled pink, for S&W's M&P's :D
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Well, Glock certainly knows a thing or two about ripping.....er, I mean "flattering" other company's designs. *cough* HK VP70 *cough* :D
 
capp325 said:
Well, Glock certainly knows a thing or two about ripping.....er, I mean "flattering" other company's designs. *cough* HK VP70 *cough* :D
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Oh come on, the VP70 is a totally different design. Even the polymers used are completely different, the only thing both have in common is they share the same concept that a polymer frame could be used to reduce weight. It ends there.
 
koalorka said:
Oh come on, the VP70 is a totally different design. Even the polymers used are completely different, the only thing both have in common is they share the same concept that a polymer frame could be used to reduce weight. It ends there.
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Not exactly. In fact, VP70 and Glock 17 share quite a few similarities, including:

Polymer frame
Polygonal barrel
Striker-fired DAO trigger
No manual safety/decocker
Full-auto version

These similarities are hardly coincidental. Glock is essentially a VP70 with modified Browning lockup (instead of blow-back) and different looks.
 
capp325 said:
Not exactly. In fact, VP70 and Glock 17 share quite a few similarities, including:

Polymer frame
Polygonal barrel
Striker-fired DAO trigger
No manual safety/decocker
Full-auto version

These similarities are hardly coincidental. Glock is essentially a VP70 with modified Browning lockup (instead of blow-back) and different looks.
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And I think they are coincidental, both pistols fulfill the same role, i.e. sidearm, so some traits will be shared.
 
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I think you are missing the point. HK invented polymer frames, DAO striker-fired triggers and polygonal pistol barrels, which incidentally are the only features that made Glock 17 different from most other pistols when it was released in the 80's (almost two decades after the VP70 came out). Therefore, there's no getting around the fact that Glock copied HK just like there's no getting around the fact that every gun with a Browning-style lockup copied the 1911 to some extent.
 
I've been shooting Glocks since 1989. My 1st Gen G17 had 25,000 rounds through her with only a few malfunctions... went three shot burst on me once. And believe it or not, 90% of the 25,000 rounds were lead. I don't really understand the problem... Ya, ya, polygonal rifling and leading or whatever, but why is that a problem, can someone explain? I cleaned her after most range trips, but never had a kaboom. I personally think its a myth or a conspiracy to propogate the purchase of factory ammo. O maybe the 1st Gens were better made. I traded her for a new 3rd Gen G17 and have only about 1,000 rounds through her but no lead. As for being an ambi gun; well, I'm a lefty and back in '89 the Glock was the only ambi around. I really do not understand the problems your having with the controls, they work fine for me. And I have little girly hands!
 
skooch said:
I've been shooting Glocks since 1989. My 1st Gen G17 had 25,000 rounds through her with only a few malfunctions... went three shot burst on me once. And believe it or not, 90% of the 25,000 rounds were lead. I don't really understand the problem... Ya, ya, polygonal rifling and leading or whatever, but why is that a problem, can someone explain? I cleaned her after most range trips, but never had a kaboom. I personally think its a myth or a conspiracy to propogate the purchase of factory ammo. O maybe the 1st Gens were better made. I traded her for a new 3rd Gen G17 and have only about 1,000 rounds through her but no lead. As for being an ambi gun; well, I'm a lefty and back in '89 the Glock was the only ambi around. I really do not understand the problems your having with the controls, they work fine for me. And I have little girly hands!
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As long as you clean after 200-300 rounds, you're okay. However, if you take longer intervals between cleanings, you could run into a problem. Polygnal barrels are known for leading faster than conventional bores. Too much lead in the bore = increased pressure = potential kaboom.
 
I purchased my first 9mm pistol this past December. After long period of researching polymer frame pistols the three that were on my short list were the Glock 17, M&P, & Sig2022. In the end, I chose a Glock Model 34. The reason I went this way was because of the fact that Glock's for the most part, have proven themselves over the test of time. The other two models are quality pistols (I am a fan of Sig), but are the new kids on the block, to sort of speak. I only own this one pistol & do not plan to buy another. This gun fits in a yard ape's hands very well & the controls on the 34 are larger than on a 17. I have aprox. 850 rounds through it now with no issues. If anyone thinks this is a pretty gun I'd hate to see who they took to their prom. I can definitely say that if you have smaller hands you will probably like the feel of the M&P or the Sig better than a stock Glock. Are they a better quality gun than the Glock? Tell ya in 10 to 20 years. The Glock's have had issues but these other 2 models, I don't think they have been around long enough to have made serious enemies. As for shooting left handed... Stop it . You'll go blind!:D
 
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beltfed said:
Seeing as the majority of pistols out there come with a mag release on the left hand side of the pistol, you may want to try and review the way you engage the mag release.
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beltfed, thanks for your input but I don't have to review anything, I've tried already and there's no way I can do it without shifting the gun and loosing my grip (time loss). Like I said, on a target gun I don't mind but on a fighting gun, under stress, with a gun that is already uncomfortable, (maybe slippery from rain or snow) I don't need the extra worry! I'm glad that it works for you though!

Maybe the majority of pistols have the release on the left but my problem is with Glock! HK, M&P etc are ambi, and you can buy a reversed release for 1911s for a $100.

Cheers!:)
 
skooch said:
As for being an ambi gun; well, I'm a lefty and back in '89 the Glock was the only ambi around. I really do not understand the problems your having with the controls, they work fine for me. And I have little girly hands!
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Well, it's this simple. I can use the GLOCK just fine BUT I find the M&P with the slide lock and mag release on the right side of the gun more natural and comfortable. I prefer using my thumb to drop the mag close the slide over my finger and I find it faster, there is a reason they are designed to be used that way. For casual range shooting it does not make a lick of difference I know but I'm the kind of azzhole that wants things to the perfect or as near as I can get em.
 
Trigun said:
We need to set up a counselling team here :D And I need some help too, I only have four handgun:redface:

Trigun
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I went from zero handguns to 4 handguns in less than a month. My credit card is almost worn out.

I Currently own:

GLOCK 17 (soon to be a M&P_)
S&W 686 7 shot non-fluted cylinder
Ruger Mark III Hunter
Norinco Type 54-1 7.62X25 (for $150 why not?)

And I am getting a Dlask 1911 VERY soon.
 
Sorry to scare you boys. I only own one semi auto, the Model 34. But I do own a pair of Remington 58 c&b's / convertions. Ones a finished 36/38cal. & the other in an unfinished 44/45 cal. I would hate to have to use either one of these Remi's for self defense, although if I threw one & hit someone or thing in the head they probably wouldn't want the second one chucked at em!
 
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