gophers with 223rem FMJ?

For those of you who have only ever shot em with fmj or dont know what explosive is when it comes to gophers i will give an example. Anyone who says fmj will do this is either a liar or not shooting fmj. These are hornady vmax for those that are wondering
 
The only time you require an unused big game license in Manitoba is when you are hunting during a licensed season. Or if you don't have an unused deer license you have no business being in the field during deer season with a rifle as you might be a poacher using Coyotes as a cover story.

Otherwise all you require is the part of the license you retain after you tag an animal as proof you purchased a license in the current year
 
Keep in mind Manitoba is retarded.
As of last year coyotes and wolves are considered big game and require an unused license for another big game animal to hunt. Look at page 45 of the synopsis:

Licences
Gray wolves and coyotes can be hunted under the authority of any big game licence, and as such, there are no tagging requirements. The hunter must be in possession of a valid current year big game hunting licence when hunting for gray wolves or coyotes. The hunter’s big game licence number is
all that is required to possess a wolf or coyote taken under the authority of that licence. Hunters are reminded that the tag affixed to a big game licence (black bear, white-tailed deer, moose, elk, or caribou) must be used for that big game species (black bear, white-tailed deer, moose, elk or caribou).
Resident
A resident may hunt gray wolves and coyotes in any valid
GHA during the wolf and coyote season if they possess any big game hunting licence for the current licence year. However, if hunting in a GHA while the area is open to white-tailed deer, elk, moose, black bear or caribou hunting, the wolf or coyote hunter must have an unused white-tailed deer, elk, moose, black bear or caribou game tag (personal or party), which
is valid for that area, species and time period. Where the white-tailed deer, elk, moose, black bear or caribou hunting seasons are closed, a resident may hunt wolves or coyotes provided he/she is in possession of a used or unused white-tailed deer, elk, moose, black bear or caribou licence.
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There is also a limit of one coyote per day per licence.

However, if you have a trappers licence you are not affected by these regulations, just the standard fur bearer rules.

.edit. Gophers would be under small game & vermin rules and are specifically exempted from caliber, bullet and other restrictions.
Wolves and coyotes are furbearers...not big game animals... Period. However, one can take one coyote or gray wolf (per year)...or one of each during legal game season without a trappers permit. The hunter must be in possession of a UNFILLED tag for that game animal during a legal season in a game hunting unit where that big game animal can be legally hunted. Filled deer tag = no coyote hunting until the big game season closes...after that time one can hunt or trap coyotes with hollow point projectiles, FMJ's, power snares, etc...until the cows come home. A Manitoba trappers license is needed and this must be done within trapping seasons for that animal and outside of registered trapline areas. This is great legislation IMO as how many coyotes and wolves were shot illegally by deer, elk and moose hunters in the past....
 
Do you think a gopher suffers after getting hit with a fmj going 3000 fps?

Never know what hit him. Never found FMJ's all too accurate in any of my 22's though. Probably made in bulk with low quality control for the AR people. Match HP 52 or 53 gain rock... 40 VMax will cut gophers to bitty pieces all day long too.
 
For those of you who have only ever shot em with fmj or dont know what explosive is when it comes to gophers i will give an example. Anyone who says fmj will do this is either a liar or not shooting fmj. These are hornady vmax for those that are wondering

This is what I'm talking about. To me it's worth the extra price for the show . Plus I hate missing and the surplus Ammo cannot match reloads for accuracy . The only way to get a better show is catching them on the snow on a nice spring day
 
I've shot thousands of gophers with 55 grn fmj. Usually cuts them in half, the wound channel being much larger than said gopher. As stated, know your surroundings and mind the ricochets...that goes for all ammo used regaurdless of jacket. Shooting a gopher with a 223 fmj is akin to shooting a moose with a 105mm howitzer......moosy would just walk away lol. Gophers are pests, don't care how they die as long as there dead, the wounded ones becoming food for the healthy survivors.
 
One year I loaded up about 2000 rounds of .223

Split between v-max, varmint granades, Remington soft points and FMJ.

Out in the gopher patch I really couldn't tell the difference between one shredded Richerdson Ground Squirrel and the next.

Now I mostly stick with the soft points as they are cheap and plenty accurate.
 
I have shot a ton load of gophers over the years and used a lot of different calibers from 22LR up to .338 LM. I have noticed that centrefire FMJ kill 'em really well and I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them with it. I have seen plenty of gophers crawl off after being hit by all sorts of bullets and in all honesty the most common calibre that a gopher would crawl away that I have seen from is the 22LR and nobody here would say you shouldn't use that for gophers so I am not tracking why somebody would think a .223 FMJ can't do the trick. As for back dropping, that should apply to all of the calibers you use and not just 223 FMJ so that is pretty much a moot point. Go out and have fun with your .223 FMJ. It will get expensive fast even at whatever it is going for now ($.50/shot?) compared to .22LR but I guarantee you will not regret it. Some folks would have thought me daft to shoot a gopher with a .338 LM but it was a nice break from shooting the steel gong...
 
Am I confused or isn't the CORE course pretty clear on the purposes of FMJ ball ammunition as opposed to soft point expanding ammunition for hunting. Cruelty does not support conservation, nor does it aid the rights of hunters. Just because the animal doesn't need a tag doesn't mean you can treat them any way you want. Animal Cruelty is criminal period. This comes from someone who considers hunting gophers the most fun shooting of all BTW. That doesn't mean I don't care how they die though. My Grandma was a champion shooter who won the Turkey year after year in Saskatchewan. One year she came across a suffering gopher with it's Jaw shot clean off by her. That made her give up the gun. The lesson I learned was to always find the animal I've shot and make sure they're not suffering. I don't take these things as hard as she did but I still don't seek to hunt with the intent of a though and through wound that ensures suffering. To propose it as acceptable is immoral and should certainly be criminal.
 
FLHTCUI, ya beat me to it, those flat angles you shoot gophers at you will have hard ball going off into never never land and you
will never know who or what they hit!
 
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