got a new to me lathe...

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I generally don't post up my business on the internet, but this is one that I'm really excited about. A while ago, I wanted to get into some gunsmithing and the start by cambering some barrels in that regard. So, I talked with dad about it as he had a lathe. But, he wasn't happy with the lathe as it wasn't big enough for the jobs he had for it, and was planning to sell it. Then he was going to find and buy something different. So, he and I thought that I should wait to buy any tooling until after he sold the lathe and got a different one.

That being said, I worked to sell that lathe, and finally sold it to an old school teacher that had taught shop on a similar but smaller lathe of that brand for 20 years.

Then the search began. Dad left me up to my own devices to find a replacement lathe for him. On the past Friday, there was a Dean, Smith & Grace toolroom lathe (model 17t) listed on kijiji for a good price in Edmonton. So, I finally got ahold of the guy who listed it Monday morning, and got a guarentee that the lathe would be held till we got there (Edmonton is over a 4 hour drive one way for me). We looked at the lathe, and dad decided that it would be more than adequate for what he needed. So, it was purchased.

Before I had gone to Edmonton, I had tracked down some tooling to buy if we got the lathe, and after we got it, I got into contact with the people to have a look at the stuff... The first guy had a small pile of armstrong cutter holders. Got them for a steal as compared to buying new.

The second place was a retiring machinist that was trying to sell stuff to get it out of his son's garage. Based some some preliminary searching, I think I managed to get over $30k worth of tooling for $900. It took 3 hours to go through all the stuff he was selling and decide what we wanted.

That being said, I'm really excited about the machine. This thing has minimal lash to it... The bedways appear solid from what I could tell. This machine is HEAVY.... And everything works...

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Whoa! Cool!

Way bigger iron than I would have ever bought!

DS&G were great machines, by all accounts.

What's it running for horsepower, around 10-15?

Have fun!

Cheers
Trev
 
Whoa! Cool!

Way bigger iron than I would have ever bought!

DS&G were great machines, by all accounts.

What's it running for horsepower, around 10-15?

Have fun!

Cheers
Trev

It's a 2 speed motor... 3.75 and 7.5 hp... Previous owners said that the hp was clydesdale hp, not shetland ponies... There were a few chips embedded in the tray and under the cross slide cover that show that they were making 3/8" cuts...

They had another DS&G there that was working... I saw it taking similar cuts...
 
So, I got her under power today... Had to use a vfd on it to get the voltages right. All the gears, feeds and cross slides do work... But it appears the the coolant pump isn't working... Gunna have to figure that out...

Something else I realized... 9 rpm is really really slow...

I also realized that 3.5" throughbore is fairly big... I don't have to take an action off to thread a muzzle... haha

This is a heck of a lot nicer lathe than that old coalchester dad had... I'll take some more pics and post them soon, if the public wants...
 
So, I got her under power today... Had to use a vfd on it to get the voltages right. All the gears, feeds and cross slides do work... But it appears the the coolant pump isn't working... Gunna have to figure that out...

Something else I realized... 9 rpm is really really slow...

I also realized that 3.5" throughbore is fairly big... I don't have to take an action off to thread a muzzle... haha

This is a heck of a lot nicer lathe than that old coalchester dad had... I'll take some more pics and post them soon, if the public wants...

Gee, ya think?

:)

Cheers
Trev
 
The fact that they were making 3/8" depth cuts frequently, running it hard, in a production setting, and still have another one that they're using, might make one question the real condition of the one they decided to sell. Sometimes places sell machines that are pretty good, just need new gibs or something small.....

Good deal either way. You're going to want to get to know that machine, so you're probably going to want to tear it all down and give it a good clean and inspection, and you'll know soon enough what its gremlins are :) A lot of stuff is fixable if you've got the time. I've been doing a little reading up on bed scraping and will probably spend some time watching the guy that comes in to do the jig bores at work, and would probably give it a try if I bought a machine.
 
The fact that they were making 3/8" depth cuts frequently, running it hard, in a production setting, and still have another one that they're using, might make one question the real condition of the one they decided to sell. Sometimes places sell machines that are pretty good, just need new gibs or something small.....

Good deal either way. You're going to want to get to know that machine, so you're probably going to want to tear it all down and give it a good clean and inspection, and you'll know soon enough what its gremlins are :) A lot of stuff is fixable if you've got the time. I've been doing a little reading up on bed scraping and will probably spend some time watching the guy that comes in to do the jig bores at work, and would probably give it a try if I bought a machine.

I know why the lathe was being sold. The landlord at their previous 25,000 sq ft shop sold the shop, and the new landlord wanted to triple the rent... So, they wound up downsizing to 8000 sq ft. There wasn't room for it. They had a pile of tools in containers for sale... A vertical lathe, bandsaws, and a whole pile of other tools. There was literally no room to set it up in the shop... Most of the shavings were plastic... Everything I tried said that this lathe is still tight... I was told that it was bought from a mil surp auction, and he maybe used it 10 hours a month for high precision work...

While it was taking a 3/8" cut, it wasn't often.

But I plan to play with it quite a bit...
 
I also realized that 3.5" throughbore is fairly big... I don't have to take an action off to thread a muzzle... haha

In a few cases you wouldn't even need to remove the bolt ! ! ! !

You should get someone you know that's good with photography to take one of those small aperture long depth of field style pictures that puts you up close and the lathe way back behind you so it looks like it's about the size of a Myford..... :d
 
Does not say "Toolroom" on the tag, does it?

http://www.lathes.co.uk/dsg/index.html says the bore on the standard 17" is 2.5".

It's a hella great lathe no matter, but if you pulled the jackpot of a Toolroom, then even better.

Cheers
Trev

It does say toolroom on the tag. It's a model 17t. That's why I jumped on it so fast when I saw it come up on kijiji...
 
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2016-04-29_06-43-05 by wolverine00089, on Flickr

cross slide and taper attachment. I do have the cover plate for the screws. I just have it off so I can clean out the cross slide ways...

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saddle controls

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chuck and headstock... Pratt and Whitney chuck.

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shot of the whole lather from the tailstock

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shot of the whole headstock. Missing a knob, but really isn't that bad...

2016-04-29_06-42-12 by wolverine00089, on Flickr

Yesterday, I met the only guy who had looked at that lathe before the farm bought it. He told me that the only reason he turned it down was he wanted the D1-6 mounting as all of his other machines were that mount. He was picking through the tools of the guy whose lathe he had bought. I bought some tools there too... twice....

Later, I intend to get a milling machine with a dividing head so that I can build the mounting plates for it. The mill drill dad has would probably tip over with a dividing head and piece big enough to make a mounting plate for this machine.
 
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