Got boned by the US DOS

OMG cancer is that the EOtech that I sold you on the EE??? No wonder that you are so pissed. First Canada Post screw's you and breaks it. Then we had that huge hassle in getting a refund and they would only do a partial refund and now they wont ship it back to you. Man this is serious :bsFlag:
 
See, that's the problem. You seem to beleive that, because they cannot produce paper that says so, that the weapons didn''t actually go to the ANA.
Like it or not, the ANA runs the ANA. Fouled up. Probably. Better than the alternative? Yep. They tried the alternative. They are fighting with it now.

Pathetic. Not so much.

Cocked up paperwork is a fact of life ....

I don't want to start a peeing contest, but let's clarify what I am saying ...

First, any government has a basic responsibility to its citizens to responsibly and transparently carry out its business. A prime example of this not happening is our glorious gun registration program - no accountability, no results, and astounding cost overruns.

The point of my post was the irony that the same government (different departments) micromanages exports to a friendly country and ally, but cannot even do the most rudimentary paperwork on armaments sent to an insecure environment. Definitely pathetic.

Did the stuff get to the ANA? Most, probably. But the GAO says the US government simply cannot document where the stuff went. I said nothing about record keeping in the ANA.

Do I expect the ANA to carefully document the disposition of received arms? Yup. That should be part of the training that we are supposed to be giving them. Is it realistic to expect it to happen soon? Nope. But if we want a functioning government (the whole point of the mission), they need to get there.

The bottom line is that the rear echelon clerk types don't do the bare minimum, while the guys at the sharp end of the stick are doing everything they can. The administrative incompetence of the US government in Iraq, and now Afghanistan, is epic, and compromises popular support for the main mission in both countries. Unforgivable.
 
OMG cancer is that the EOtech that I sold you on the EE??? No wonder that you are so pissed. First Canada Post screw's you and breaks it. Then we had that huge hassle in getting a refund and they would only do a partial refund and now they wont ship it back to you. Man this is serious :bsFlag:
Same one.
 
cancer said:
"...The guy I got it from said it was sold to him by someone in the military..."
Being ex-Reg Force myself, there's something that doesn't sound 'quite right' about "...someone in the military..." selling off a (presumably issued) small arms accessory ...especially a controlled and serialized item like a rifle optic. Crown assets - even surplus ones - simply don't get disposed of in that way.
 
Being ex-Reg Force myself, there's something that doesn't sound 'quite right' about "...someone in the military..." selling off a (presumably issued) small arms accessory ...especially a controlled and serialized item like a rifle optic. Crown assets - even surplus ones - simply don't get disposed of in that way.

I happen to know of at least a few Eotechs that failed to make it onto anyones DA overseas and could easily "dissapear". You'd be suprized what is'nt on paper overseas and could fall into a duffle bag or barrack box. ;)
 
And nobody has EVER gone dumpster diving outside the Supply section, either:rolleyes:.

Some stuff that is turned in unserviceable, can be used as a parts donor for other stuff that was turned in unserviceable...

And as one Supply Tech told me, "Before I became a Supply Tech, I was basically honest, but all the waste..."

Lots of ways that stuff can slide outside the system. Some cleaner than others, like the Kahles scopes that were mentioned in the C3 thread. (bought off the shelf at Crown Assets)

It helps to have a basic fear of large fines, career action, and digger time. :D

Cheers
Trev
 

Fair enough, but even if L3 wasn't having this problem your 553 would probably still have been seized since it was never legally exported out of the US in the first place and if it was than the end user sold it illegally after the fact, either way your optic is "grey market". Look at the EE, lots of stuff in there that hasn't been legally obtainable for quite some time, yet there it is "NIB" at double its original price due to its scarcity.

Caveat Emptor

Anyone looking for high speed, low drag kit should be looking for stuff obtainable from countries other than the US. For red dots I'd be looking at Aimpoint, the States can't stop Sweden from selling them.

ETA: The only person you got "boned by" was the guy who illegally smuggled it into the country.
 
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Anybody know where there is a list of what is controlled and what is not??

Anyone looking for high speed, low drag kit should be looking for stuff obtainable from countries other than the US. For red dots I'd be looking at Aimpoint, the States can't stop Sweden from selling them.

So Aimpoints are good to go?? how about ACOG TA11?
 
Trijicon makes the ACOG's and it is a USA based company...

I bought a TA11F last year and imported through questar along with a few parts that I needed, this saved me a lot of money on the ACOG price. But right now the DOS placed a new set of rules for export with much higher fees.

Get in touch with police ordnance or milarm they are trijicon retailers, they might help you.
 
You have to be patient and keep calling them so they don't forget about you.

It took me 11 months to get my wife's eotech back. First it was export issues, then it sat on someone's desk for a month, then it sat on someone's desk in Canada for a month until I was able to track it down and prove it was mislabeled.:jerkit:
 
Trijicon makes the ACOG's and it is a USA based company...

I bought a TA11F last year and imported through questar along with a few parts that I needed, this saved me a lot of money on the ACOG price. But right now the DOS placed a new set of rules for export with much higher fees.

Get in touch with police ordnance or milarm they are trijicon retailers, they might help you.

Oh I have a TA11, but I am now wondering if like the 553 it is now under the end-user policies since it is a mil-scope.

My question is an open ended one and not specific to certain items but rather how would one know if an item falls under these new rules so as not to get boned??
 
Update - A new company called Elite Arms is handling all Eotech exports from now on and will apparently be shipping all remaining items in Eotech's repair depot back to their rightful international owners. No ETA as to when though.. :rolleyes:
 
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