Got My Alaskan Scout: Doesn't Look Right

My Winchester/aka Miroku both seem to have pretty wood

Winchester/Miroku uses real US-grown black walnut that gets shipped to Japan for processing.

While pretty, both the butt stocks you depict would have been rejected by Winchester when guns were made in the USA. One has a long knot through the side and the other has a filled knot on the belly of the stock. I don;t mind character, but these are areas for potential cracking and checking if the stock gets rain-soaked.

Nothing is made like it was pre-64 anymore - not even the "pretty good" Mirokus.
 
Man, I was super close to buying one of these. This is like the opposite of buyer's remorse when you regret buying something; I feel vindicated for not buying it.

I feel terrible for the guys who did, though. You expect this from Chinese garbage, not from four-figure firearms.
 
The newer Marlins (Remington) made within the year are the best mass production lever guns made now.
The fit and finish is not quite up to the standard of the old "JM" Marlins but they are infinitely better than these Chiappas which cost more than double what a stainless steel Marlin Guide Gun costs.
I have a Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 bought last year and never a functionality or finish problem and it produces 1 MOA accuracy with the Hornady 325 grain FTX ammo.
If you want a reliable stainless steel levergun with a real walnut stock the newer Marlin Guide Guns are the way to go.
1/2 the money and a lot better quality than the Chiappa rifles.

I would not agree to this blanket statement. My 2014 336 was a basket case before I rebuilt and tuned the action - but lemons get produced no matter how good your QA/QC is. Mistakes happen in series production. That said, after I fixed the fitting issues with the gun and slicked up the action, it's now slicker than my JM guns and runs tops.
 
I find Tru-oil the best weather proofing treatment for the Rossi jungle wood.
I apply 2 well rubbed in coats.
Mine looks and feels just like the walnut on my pre-64 Winchester 94s.

Interestingly, I just ordered some Tru-Oil to put on my ranch hand. Not sure what the factory-applied stuff it, but it's not varnish and not any stock oil I've used before - I wonder if it's just plain stain left bare? It definitely needs to be sealed.
 
Got mine to day. All this talk has really bothered me .The waiting and not knowing what I was going to receive was torture! Buyer's remorse was real bad. But! I am hear to say and happy so! Mine is as new condition no rust or pitting starting any where! As it should be. Now my concern's. The from sight is lose, it slides back and forth easily, will have to stake it or shim it some how. I tried to remove the barrel , not happening. And no! I am not limp wristed . is this usual? Are they just hard or am I missing something? How much force is needed? Pipe wrench and bench vice not an opinion please advise! Other than that happy with it. And yes I removed the the ammo tube, and opened the action.:confused:

You do want it to be tight. You un-screw the tube and PULL IT FORWARD to make sure the follower doesn't bind. Action open, as you know. The from the muzzle, turn it counter-clockwise. It may be a bit stiff, which is what you want. If you need to, get a piece of sheet rubber and use that to improve your grip when turning the fore-end.
 
For the price of those bad boys, I will stick with the Rossi as simple and clunky as it may be. I think you guys are pretty patient despite the circumstances. I would be more on the angry side if I received any product in that condition.

This.

If only someone imported the stainless ranch hands and original Rossi buttstocks from the 16" trapper carbines so we could mate them up!

And I'm not a fan of rubber-coated wood stocks. Too bad Champion/Ramline isn't making an 1892 stock :( I'd buy two!
 
Got mine to day. All this talk has really bothered me .The waiting and not knowing what I was going to receive was torture! Buyer's remorse was real bad. But! I am hear to say and happy so! Mine is as new condition no rust or pitting starting any where! As it should be. Now my concern's. The from sight is lose, it slides back and forth easily, will have to stake it or shim it some how. I tried to remove the barrel , not happening. And no! I am not limp wristed . is this usual? Are they just hard or am I missing something? How much force is needed? Pipe wrench and bench vice not an opinion please advise! Other than that happy with it. And yes I removed the the ammo tube, and opened the action.:confused:

i opened the action unscrewed mag rube till loose then turn 90 to the left and out it comes no real force involved
 
Winchester/Miroku uses real US-grown black walnut that gets shipped to Japan for processing.

While pretty, both the butt stocks you depict would have been rejected by Winchester when guns were made in the USA. One has a long knot through the side and the other has a filled knot on the belly of the stock. I don;t mind character, but these are areas for potential cracking and checking if the stock gets rain-soaked.

Nothing is made like it was pre-64 anymore - not even the "pretty good" Mirokus.

*shrug*
I believe that today, nice walnut has been replaced by synthetic for actual hard use. I have an 870 Police with a walnut stock and I'd very much doubt many police forces that purchase newer guns opt for the wood over the synthetic that'll likely take more abuse.
Still, the Miroku stocks look beautifully finished and smooth as glass, and the integrity of the stock surrounding the knot has likely been assessed and addressed, so I have no worry about the life lasting my lifetime and then some.

Finishes of yesteryear that would've been sufficient for hunting and getting dinged up and wet have been replaced by much more suited materials. I love rich deep bluing and fine walnut, but if I wanted a serious hunting/woods rifle for bad weather, common sense would prevail and i'd be carrying a stainless rifle with a synthetic stock.
I love my 1911 for its wood grips and beautiful blued finish but if i were afforded the opportunity to carry a pistol in foul weather, I'd imagine a polymer Glock would be more suited to the task.

I think that gun manufacturers realize that guns made to look beautiful won't be called upon to fend off as harsh of weather as standard blued and wood guns. I suppose the guns of yesteryear including the pre-64 Winchesters were made with the likely possibility that they'd be called upon to work outside. When I see pictures of them they seem to have more plain-Jane hunks of wood on them, perhaps for utilitarian purposes and not for aesthetic purposes like today. Perhaps Winchester of today figured the likelihood of their new line of rifles being used as hard as the old ones was pretty low, so they chose wood with some good looks and character versus sheer strength? Just checked my Marlin 1894 Cowboy Limited, JM-stamped gun and it has a knot in the buttstock too.

Yesterday's utility materials are today's luxury as we have perfected cheaper goods that are more up for the rugged task.
If you think about the fact that a shearling coat or Burberry trench coat for 2,000 dollars was meant for hard farm use or muddy warfare respectively, or that a $120,000 dollar Range Rover would make a rugged off road vehicle, you gotta figure most people would have cheaper goods to accomplish the task and save their luxury goods for the historic appeal or whatnot.

In other words, I love the way the stocks look with the knots and grain popping and whatnot, but I understand the limitations and would grab a cheaper synthetic gun over a thousand dollar lever action to shoot in the rain.
 
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i opened the action unscrewed mag rube till loose then turn 90 to the left and out it comes no real force involved
Yea, that's what I figured. Not on mine though. I expected it to be snug, not this tight. My be this would be a bad idea, but what if I shot it with no tube? The shock might shake it lose. Probably I will try to put wrenches ( padded of coarse) on it some how. Sat on it and tried with both hands didn't budge. This is one neet little rifle, the bad time the others are having is a total buzz kill! I really feel for them and at the same time happy it didn't happen to me. Other than these glitches I am real happy now that I got it in good shape ( NEW!!) As was expected.:cool:
 
Yea, that's what I figured. Not on mine though. I expected it to be snug, not this tight. My be this would be a bad idea, but what if I shot it with no tube? The shock might shake it lose. Probably I will try to put wrenches ( padded of coarse) on it some how. Sat on it and tried with both hands didn't budge. This is one neet little rifle, the bad time the others are having is a total buzz kill! I really feel for them and at the same time happy it didn't happen to me. Other than these glitches I am real happy now that I got it in good shape ( NEW!!) As was expected.:cool:

Got mine everything looks OK except front sight fell out. Went to take it apart and was also very tight ended up putting buttstock between my legs and used both hands on barrel twisted to the right and walla.
Hope this works for you.
 
Happy to report that mine arrived today and it's a beauty. despite this thread scaring the crap out of me, I'm happy I grabbed one of these.
 
So I got it apart last night after all, man was it tight ,the threads were dry no lube ,slapped some gun grease to it , unscrews a lot easer now. The action is pretty smooth and the trigger is allso. As for the sight I think I'll stake it. Slide to one side and punch it a good one, than tap the sight to the center and go from there. Found the action looked a little dirty going to blow it out than oil it lightly not to goober it up to badly. Just itching to go and try it out I'll go for a walk on the back 40 this week end got where my vest its hunting season. Feeling a lot better about it now since that I got it in my hands and able to play with it now, my anxiety is all but gone now Happy Camper ! Best of luck to all you others out there !
 
Went over mine very thoroughly and happy to report, all is well inside (all that I can see at least) and out. Other than being in desperate need for some lube, its ready to go. The action feels super smooth as well as the trigger. Really looking forward to firing a few rounds down range when the time comes.

Bummer to hear about a few others not being so good. I'm sure Wanstalls will make it right.
 
My last chiappa had a tensioning screw in the front sight that you could tighten to snug up the blade in it's dovetail. Do these guns still have that feature, or is it just a plain dovetail sight?
 
Watch their return policy though, they will charge you 3% on a return which is an illegal practice. I had to get my credit card company to reverse that charge in a dispute claim. The item was bought and the order was canceled same day, never boxed up or shipped and they withheld 3% from me on the canceled order. I have read nothing but good things about them but my experience was not so.
 
I don't buy any gun sight unseen over the Internet.
I need to inspect it and function test it before any money/plastic changes hands.
This is a case in point illustration of the sagacity of that policy.
The Rossi 92 levergun is a good buy in regards to value per dollar though you might have to pick thru several guns on the rack to find a good one.
Marlin (Remington) has really pulled up its socks in the past year and the newest 1895s and 336s on the rack are very good quality.
The Rossis and Marlins are less than half the money (and twice the gun) of the Chiappa rifles discussed on this thread.
I bought a 336 in 35 Rem that is smooth and accurate and cycles flawlessly with pretty decent walnut, workmanship and w/m fitting.
I was told by several previous owners to stay away from the Chiappa rifles.
Seems in retrospect that was sound advice.
 
The conclusion to my saga:
When I first called Wanstalls I was told to send the gun back amd they would send me a replacement. The rifle I sent back was recieved by Wanstalls on Friday at 11am. After hearing nothing from them through the weekend I called them on Tuesday afternoon. I was told I had been refunded and if I wanted a replacement I had to give them my credit card info again and essentially make a new order. Hmmm. At this point my credit card company said no refund had been issued. I attenpted to call back and another employee took a message for me. At this point no one has bothered to call me back. On wednesday the refund was issued to my credit card however. At this point Im done with it. I couldnt be bothered to chase the issue. Yes Im disapointed. This was a rifle I wanted. Mostly only heard good things about Wanstalls. My experience has been negative. I paid good money up front for a rifle expecting new condition. I recieved a severely blemished one instead. I was told it would be replaced with a new one. It wasnt, I was refunded without any notification. Then I pursued the issue further to re-purchase a replacement they couldnt be bothered to call me back. I would say that is poor customer service.
 
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