Got my first collectors gun. Mauser k98

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Hey all. Pic is going to follow. I'm been trying to hunt down a nice looking k98. I found one and had almost all serial number match except the bolt. The bolt has a serial number by the boot handle, then right on the bolt whoever owned this once scratched a matching serial number as the rest of the gun on the bolt. Looks like his 3 year old did it. I would like to blue the bolt so that's gone because I don't want to explain to everyone who sees this gun that no I didn't scratch that on their to Make everyone think my gun is a perfect match. Either way.

On the top of the action there is a 147 and below it a 1938. So I've read up and found out the 1938 is the yesr of course and the 147 is the facTory which is j.p sauer.

Now on the bolt handle side of the action there are three engravings I want to see if anyone has seen. Or know where I can look them up.

One is the standard German nazi bird with spread wings holding the swaztika with its feet and a number below. Then next to that there are two other similar symbols also with a number below them. Anyone know what these are or where I can look the, up?

Thanks
 
I'll also add so maybe some of you can maybe direct what else to look for. There are matching serial numbers on the side of action, barrel, butt of stock, on floor plate, on the piece which holds the barrel and stock together near the bore of the gun.

Then again as mentioned above the bolt itself has a totally different number engraved near the handle. Then a moron hand engraved on the top of the bolt to match the rest.
 
Sounds like your bolt is electropenciled. Personally I wouldn't worry about rebluing the bolt. Sounds like a post war refurb...possibly Russian. Still sounds like a nice rifle. Definitely can't wait to see pics.

I'm sure CanadianAR and jbmauser will be on here shortly to welcome you to the wonderful world of K98 Mausers. Welcome to the club!
 
Ok ok give me a minute lol

Here it is, taken from my super expensive camera... iPhone 4. Yes 4 lol


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These are the markings I was curious about.
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What you have there is a Russian Capture K98k. A collectible variation of the K98k and a neat piece of history. Nothing will match on these except the barrel and receiver. The rest of the numbers are either force matched by the Russians by electro pencil or in the case of the stock a new serial stamped on the side of the buttstock.

You are correct that you have a 1938 J.P. Sauer barreled receiver. The e/359 on the right receiver means it was inspected and supplied by Walther to J.P. Sauer and the older style Weimar e/214's are inspection marks applied by Sauer during the build. Interesting combination of nazi and weimar eagles as 1938 was sort of the transition period from weimar style proofs to nazi.

Hope this helps. Most small parts and the bolt will have e/(fill in the number), inspection stamps and if you want to learn their origin supply us with a list of them.

You could do some more pics of the serials as well.
 
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Wow jb your awesome. Can I come over lol. I am dieing to get into this hobby but am very green. So knowledge is awesome.

All the numbers I'm quoting are stamped on like the barrel numbers etc. They don't look like there hand done like the one on the bolt.

The stock one you have seen. The barrel and action you've seen. At the end of the rifle that clamp which holds barrel and stock together is also the same. Under the floor plate I realized there's two parts which don't match. But they both have the Weimar eagle 221 on them. On my barrel though just under the rear sight there are three Weimar eagles side by side all with the number 359 under them. Only other number I see is on the bolt handle which is 3607.

I live this. I own too many guns, hunting rifles from savage, tikka, browning and Sakos. I own ar style black rifles. This gun is my new favourite. I love learning about it, I'm for sure bitten by the milsurp bug. It's lieing next to me on the couch while I research on my iPad and my wife is watching some show of 6 incredible rich women in Miami arguing about everything they can possibly think of.
 
Also just to expand a bit on what blista77 said, the e/359 and 214 marks on the right receiver are inspection marks applied during various stages of manufacture and assembly. Fire proof marks are only applied in 3 places. The left receiver, left barrel, and bolt root. In your case you have Weimar style proofs on the receiver and barrel. Look on the rear of the bolt root for the proof mark there.
 
The e/359 sight base is Walther supplied. The e/221 I'm not sure of. Could be a firm called Brehmer that made trigger guards but the ones I saw when I looked this up were later style eagles and not the weimar inspection marks. Brehmer is apparently an old firm so they could very well have been making tg's while the weimar eagles were in use.

I find it interesting that one of the bands actually matches in serial number. Is it the upper band that matches? Is there any inspection marks on either of them? Usually the waffenamt is on the right side opposite of the serial if there is one.

The waffenamt or manufacture letter code on the bolt will be on the underside of the bolt root. It may be hard to see because these are often poorly struck.
 
Chago said:
Also one question. In the stock what is the round thing that every mauser has behind the strap slot?
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It is a tool to break down the bolt. Unscrew then bolt sleeve/firing pin assembly from the bolt body. Then stick the petruding firing pin into the hole. Push down on the bolt sleeve until the cocking peice is clear of the sleeve. Rotate the cocking piece 90 degrees left or right and pull it up off the firing pin.
 
K I got a shop light on the gun now. Everytime I pick it up I find another bird. So as we already know the action and barrel are sporting the 359. I just found on the bolt near the back there are two of them and both show 250.

As per the bands. The first one which ties onto the strap shows nothing. At least I can't find anything. But the one closer to the bore has a matching serial number of 4347. But also has the 359 on the opposite side of the band.

My bolt seems to be a mutt. I'm finding serial numbers in other spots as well.
 
Chago said:
K I got a shop light on the gun now. Everytime I pick it up I find another bird. So as we already know the action and barrel are sporting the 359. I just found on the bolt near the back there are two of them and both show 250.

As per the bands. The first one which ties onto the strap shows nothing. At least I can't find anything. But the one closer to the bore has a matching serial number of 4347. But also has the 359 on the opposite side of the band.

My bolt seems to be a mutt. I'm finding serial numbers in other spots as well.
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Are you sure the bolt waffenamts are 250 and not 280? 280 could either be Mauser Berlin or Erma as the e/280 inspection team moved from MB to Erma later on.

From what I can find a 1938 Sauer should have e/214 bands on it. I suppose since they sourced parts from various places that an e/359 band could be possible. The odds of it staying with the rifle through the Russian rebuild are pretty slim though. I suspect it may have been renumbered to match or that someone beat the odds and found the correctly numbered band to install. I'd really be interested in seeing a nice clear pic of the band serial. I'm really curious about it now.

From my understanding, when the Russians rebuilt the K98k's, they basically disassembled them, refinished the usable parts, threw the parts into bins and reassembled them by randomly grabbing parts out of the bins with no effort to maintain matching numbers/makers/late/early style parts. That's why you see a variety of makers and serial numbers on your K98k. It can be fun to research all the different parts you have and the RC's are really a neat variant with a unique history because of this.
 
Yes 280 is possible. The numbers on the bolt and the band are so darn small so the 250 could very well be 280. Really hard to tell. The band does have the 359 though. Ill try to take a pic, I doubt it will be clear using my phone. Ill try to get a good one though. Or worst case tomorrow in natural light outside the phone will take better pics.

This is awesome.

Anyone have scopes for this rifle?
 
jbmauser said:
The odds of it staying with the rifle through the Russian rebuild are pretty slim though.
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I was just wondering the same thing today, I wonder what the chances would be to end up with even one original part. I wonder how many guns were broken down per batch, and what the odds would be.


And forget the scope, just enjoy it as it is.
 
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