Got my first HK.. Who-hoo

Dmitri

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After long search, finally got one of these P7M13s.
I have to say, i couldn't be happier. The first day i got it i wasn't sure if it was my cup of tea, but with each day, i was falling in love more and more.. :)
specially after last range trip. The gun performed extremely well, i managed to get the same size groups at 25 m that i usually get at 10-15m.. :) wow, what a surprise..
I managed to find KN wooden grips for it as well as the p7m8 holster that i had to modify to work with oversized grips... and i'm still looking for more mags, i only got one with the gun.

Here are some pics:

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And here are the pics of the modified M8 holster (before and after)

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here is a size comparing to a Makarov pistol.. :)
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hey just another piece of German junk, you have to give it to me, Karma will help your soul .... I'll msg my address for the transfer ....LOL...
I was kidding of course and I'm jealous of your new "baby".
CONGRATS, very nice HK pistol you got there!
Cheers!
 
Welcome to the club! I love those grips. Post on the EE that your looking for the mags that how I found mine. But because it's H&K the sticker shock is nasty.
 
Nice looking M13. I don't go for the wood grips myself, but I know alot of people do like them.

I see you have one of "ARMTAC" Chris' " shipment of the Belgian police guns. I have one of them too. Hopefully whoever sold it to you didn't gouge you too badly on the price. They were all $999 from Chris. I've seen that at least a couple of different guys now have tried (and maybe succeeded) in re-selling theirs on the EE for $1,800. While I am all for the free market, that is way too much for a police trade-in. These guns should not go for more than $1,200 with one mag in my view (they all came with one mag from Chris).

There is a basically BNIB P7M8 on the EE right now for $2050 with two mags. I bought a similiar one recently (maybe 50-100 rounds fired, 1980s production) for $1,850. I haven't posted anything about that one, but I will at some point. I bought a BNIB P7M13 for $2,250 last year. While the Belgian ones Chris brought in are all mechanically and functionally fine, when paying these kinds of high prices ($1,800 to $2,250) you don't want a gun with the finish worn on the slide, etc. At $999 they are a hell of deal though. You aren't going to be too worried about scuffing them up, what the resale value is and all that.

The importation of those 15 Belgian police P7M13's from ARMTAC has created a little baby bubble of demand for P7M13 mags, as shooting with one mag is not the best - and not even workable for any kind of training or competition. I have one mag from the Belgian police gun, two P7M13 mags from my other M13, and now I have two P7M10 mags as well... which will also work perfectly fine. It would be fantastic if somebody would find and import some pinned P7M13 mags. A number of guys have been asking about it. The P7M10 mags you can import yourself if you can find someone who will ship them to you in Canada, as they are clearly marked ".40S&W" and "manufactured or designed" to hold that type of cartridge, and they hold only 10 rounds of that cartridge - so they don't need to be modified in anyway to import them. The tricky part is finding someone in another country who will ship them to Canada. It can be done though. I personally would pay as much as $100 a mag for old scuffed up P7M13 or P7M10 mags, and would pay more for BNIB ones if some dealer were to get some.

Here is my thead about my $999 Belgian police gun. It is a great gun at a great price! I hope Chris is able to find some more cool stuff to import!

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705996&highlight=P7M13
 
^^ how do you know that the gun I have is Belgian police surplus...?? Is there markings that prove that??

I paid $1500 for mine with one mag and then I bought grips separately, I wasn't looking for NIB condition, I needed a gun I can shoot, and I didn't want to wait a year untill one shows up for $999.. So I think I payed a reasonable price.
 
It's a combination of things, but those guns are pretty easy to recognize.

Chris from ARMTAC is a friend of mine. We shoot at the same range. I've seen photographs of what his shipment of the 15 guns from Belgium looked like. The pre-order was in October of last year. The guns went out to the buyers in January of this year.

They are not actually marked with anything indicating Belgian police but, as I say, I know the guy that imported them, and that is where he bought them from. My Belgian gun is an "IG" (1986), as is yours. Your gun is less than 300 serial numbers away from mine. It also has very similar wear to the top of the slide, the rear sight, and the grips, particularly on the right grip. They were all like that in the shipment of 15.

The sort of dusty/almost phosphate-looking mag you got with yours, that is what all the mags in that shipment looked like - and each gun only came with one. The P7M13 and P7M10 mags you see most other places do not look like that. They are a dark black, and shiney, like this:
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The main thing though is that all the guns from that ARMTAC shipment have no U.S. import markings. U.S. law has required these markings for decades now. All the HKs you see in the States will have some kind of markings indicating the importer, and upwards of 95% of what we see in Canada for HKs will also have these U.S. importer markings because they went through the U.S. first before coming to Canada. The older P7s will usually be marked "HK Inc. Arlington, VA", "HK Inc. Sterling, VA", "HK Chantilly, VA" or something similar to that. Depends where the U.S. branch of HK was located at the time. This one below is not mine, but it was an M13 that sold here on CGN recently. It is an "IE" (1984) that has the Chantilly markings:
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Later on they did other things for the U.S. imported guns. P7M8's would have a "16" prefix to the serial number, like "16-10###X". The M13's had a "17" prefix, etc.

There are, of course, some other older P7s in Canada that don't have U.S. markings (I have a P7M8 like that which was imported directly from Germany by one of the members of CGN back in the day) but they are not very common.

The odds of an "IG", no U.S. markings, P7M13 with one dusty/phospate-looking magazine, with holster wear to the top of the slide and the right grip, close in serial numbers to the other Belgian police guns just randomly showing up on the EE in the months after that shipment are... pretty much zero.

Your gun is definitely one of the 15 Chris imported from Belgium. There is nothing wrong with that. They are great guns in great shape. I personally think $1,500 is a bit high, especially considering that the guy that sold it to you flipped it after just 3 months and made $500, but - believe me I understand how hard these things can be to find at ANY kind of decent price these days. At the end of the day a few hundred dollars is not a big deal, and you will get a ton of enjoyment out of that M13. Good shooting. I have found mine to be as good a shooter as any P7 I have ever shot.
 
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Im in the market for one of these, is the EE my only option? I would really like one in excellent condition.

How would it work if i imported one from the states?

Anyone have one for sale or a lead on one, i would appreciate a PM.

i know there is one on the EE, but $1800 for a gun that was bought for $999, not happening.

I really missed out on that armtac shipment.
 
We will have P7M8 and P7M13 from time to time, they are not surplus but LNIB with box and manuals. We have two P7M8 coming soon and one of them is gone. The price will be $1800 to $2000.

Contact me if anyone is interested.
 
These are some newer pics of my P7M13 that Chris brought in. It is a really nice gun, as is the original poster's gun. I look forward to seeing what else Chris can bring in for us :)
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(Mine didn't come with a box or anything. That is just for the picture)
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Some I posted before:
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That sir, is a beaut! Those wood grips make the total package of style, grace and class. The downside is that now I want one too :p
 
Thanks guys, yes those grips really complete the package..
i just wish the P7M10 mags were easier to find.
 
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