Got my PAL/RPAL.....now wish to purchase
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For what its worth, The course I took covered very little towards the legality of purchasing and owning a restricted firearm in canada and left me searching the internet for what I needed to know. My understanding is that in ontario you do not legally need to be a member of a club in order to get a long term ATT but there's very little chance they'll issue you one unless you are. You will go into a gun store and pay for the restricted firearm you want, The store will than begin the transfer of ownership. When the ownership transfer is done than you can apply for a short term ATT, These are usually issued on the spot as far as I know but feel free to correct me. You will than be able to take the firearm home and put it in the safe while you wait for your long term ATT to come through. Hope this helps!
Depends on which province you belong to, in BC. You are required to have a LONG TERM ATT (good for gunsmiths, all ranges) before they will even approve the transfer of a restricted. But I consider that a good thing because saves you all the other hassle for the next 5 years.
OK, thanks. The course I took spent hardly any time on this either, sounds like I should get going on the long term ATT, join a club in the meantime. Not planning on purchasing a new firearm, like from a store, so the long term ATT would be the way to go.
Hey CookieMonster, which province do you live in? Makes a whole lot of difference as for rules. In Ontario, you cannot personally apply for LTATT, the club you join will. However, you can purchase a restricted right away without belonging to a club. Heck, my club told me they won't even apply LTATT until I buy my own restricted handgun first. I started this whole waiting/testing/paper work ordeal since April. I am supposedly 2.5 weeks away from my LTATT. But I give it another month.
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- Chilliwack, BC
In BC it is not quite as complicated as ON.
Personally, I purchased my restricted firearm (pistol) and had it transferred into my name. Once that was completed, I called the BC CFO and asked for a STATT so I could transport it from the sellers house to my own.
After that, I submitted my paperwork for the LTATT and it was competed in 1 day or so. Now I am able to transport from my house to any range, gunsmith or border crossing in BC or Yukon.
It is a pain in the arse, but as long as you complete all the paperwork and steps, you should be good to go.
EDIT: Oh, and when you fill out the LT ATT form, you do NOT have to fill in the info for serial number, make/model, blah blah blah information for the firearm (in BC anyways). You just fill out the other necessary spaces and they will issue a "blanket" LTATT for you so you can trasport ANY restricted firearm according to your guidelines.
Personally, I purchased my restricted firearm (pistol) and had it transferred into my name. Once that was completed, I called the BC CFO and asked for a STATT so I could transport it from the sellers house to my own.
After that, I submitted my paperwork for the LTATT and it was competed in 1 day or so. Now I am able to transport from my house to any range, gunsmith or border crossing in BC or Yukon.
It is a pain in the arse, but as long as you complete all the paperwork and steps, you should be good to go.
EDIT: Oh, and when you fill out the LT ATT form, you do NOT have to fill in the info for serial number, make/model, blah blah blah information for the firearm (in BC anyways). You just fill out the other necessary spaces and they will issue a "blanket" LTATT for you so you can trasport ANY restricted firearm according to your guidelines.
Thanks everyone, I am in SW Ontario. Good to know I can buy one without having a club membership right away. Am planning on joining one over the winter and will investigate their rules for taking safety courses, sending away for LT ATT's, etc.
Get P226 Classic in .22lr and upgrade barrel now or later. Basically, this combo buys you .22lr conversion for free.
Wish I did that first. But now I have P220 classic too!
For me, I know I would have way more fun blasting 9mm and up. But I realized I need 22lr too inorder to safe some $$$ bucks once in a while. Less 9mm+ ammo I shoot, more I'll save. I'm reloading too. LOL!
Wish I did that first. But now I have P220 classic too!
For me, I know I would have way more fun blasting 9mm and up. But I realized I need 22lr too inorder to safe some $$$ bucks once in a while. Less 9mm+ ammo I shoot, more I'll save. I'm reloading too. LOL!
I'm not sure what you mean by SW but I got lucky and joined Waterford. I'm very happy there because while they have put aside some of the routines of other clubs regarding full membership and they pay very close attention to you in a friendly personal way that can't be beat to my thinking. I had to fast track because I go south for the winter and wanted to qualify to take my guns with me and compete. So I went from where you are to taking the IPSC Black Badge course in less than five months. It was a bit of a crush but well supported by my new friends at Waterford. It's an hours drive for me to get there but I never regret going. I can also tell you that I got excellent help from the folks at the Ontario CFO office. I'm heading to Arizona with my guns and Black Badge thanks to these people and a lot of effort too
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Appreciate your recommendations folks but rather than the .22 or even 9 mm, I'm drooling over the .357 magnum. I know it's powerful for a newbie like me but I've made up my mind. Once my fascination with the 357 wears off, I'll expand my horizons and try something else.
I'm located in London and am planning to join East Elgin (EESA) in Aylmer. It's about 35 min. from here but well worth the drive. Went to their open house this past summer and literally had a blast. The members were really welcoming and willing to chat, very friendly and informative. Haven't heard about Waterford, might check it out. Definitely interested in the IPSC - congrat's on the black badge - in 5 months?? Wow - impressive.
I'm located in London and am planning to join East Elgin (EESA) in Aylmer. It's about 35 min. from here but well worth the drive. Went to their open house this past summer and literally had a blast. The members were really welcoming and willing to chat, very friendly and informative. Haven't heard about Waterford, might check it out. Definitely interested in the IPSC - congrat's on the black badge - in 5 months?? Wow - impressive.
I know a guy who felt that way. He was very enthusiastic about getting into handgun shooting. I suggested .22LR. He bought a S&W Model 66 Stainless Combat Magnum. Sounds good, right?
After buying it he found that factory ammunition had more energy than he could enjoy. He found that even light wadcutter reloads had more recoil than he could enjoy. He didn't shoot much after that. About ten years later he sold it. He doesn't own a handgun anymore.
He says that he doesn't like handguns because he doesn't like the recoil.
I bought a S&W .357 as my second gun. The beauty of that caliber is the ability to use .38 for various reasons. I bought a case of Hollow Base Wad Cutter ammo to use for Bullseye as it is an accurate light load that doesn't "punish". Mind you the "wack" of the .357 full load is wonderful to me. My gun has a compensator that takes the harsh edge off but it is still great fun. I got great vibes from EESA too after my qualifying IPSC match when a number of their members posted encouraging words and an invitation to their match which was the next day. That club has a fun reputation too.
I love that "big boom" and the recoil but it all depends on what you want to do particularly with a first gun. .40 and .45 are used in IPSC but of course are more difficult to control than 9mm. The scoring system in IPSC levels things out but I doubt that anyone could compete in IPSC with the 44 magnum as the recovery time for the second shot is too long to score well. I'm going to try IPSC with the .357 revolver and accept that it represents much more of a challenge particularly in reloading at high speed. But that is what shooting is all about; personal challenge and above all FUN! If it isn't fun, why bother?
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Appreciate your recommendations folks but rather than the .22 or even 9 mm, I'm drooling over the .357 magnum. I know it's powerful for a newbie like me but I've made up my mind...
I know a guy who felt that way. He was very enthusiastic about getting into handgun shooting. I suggested .22LR. He bought a S&W Model 66 Stainless Combat Magnum. Sounds good, right?
After buying it he found that factory ammunition had more energy than he could enjoy. He found that even light wadcutter reloads had more recoil than he could enjoy. He didn't shoot much after that. About ten years later he sold it. He doesn't own a handgun anymore.
He says that he doesn't like handguns because he doesn't like the recoil.
I know a guy who is worse. He started with a 44magnum. After a while even that doesn't cut it any more, now he shoots rifle cartridges in pistols! Currently, I'm....er, .....I mean HE
is looking for a 45-70 contender pistol barrel. HE keeps a 22 pistol or two around for small children and other siss......er,.....recoil sensitive newbies.
CookieMonster,
In Ontario it's exactly as Trotter said.
Just to be more clear:
Since you have an RPAL.
- Start shopping. (Buy what you want)
- Join a club that has "rentals" or club guns (so you can shoot in the meantime).
The benefit to club guns is you get to sample before you buy.
- Take the club level safety course (if they require it)
- Buy a restricted. (Dealers can be quicker than private sale but not always)
Dealers will require you supply the name of a club you are a member of or INTEND to be a member of.
- A Temp ATT will be requested by dealer and when it arrives the dealer will ship to you (you pay up front) You don't need to call the CFO they do everything.
or
- Private sale (pay up front usually)
Seller initiates transfer to CFO gets a ref #.
You then call Ontario CFO with said ref # to confirm transfer.
Wait for paperwork to arrive in the mail, this a Notification of Transfer (Buyer).
When that notification arrives, THEN and only THEN do you call the Ontario CFO to request a 1 time ATT for the the physical transfer of the firearm by mail or pickup.
When it arrives or you pick it up put it in a legally approved storage container and wait again for the official registration certificate (Its the one with the GREEN cover page from the RCMP - Miramichi)
When the reg cert comes, jump for joy and call your club to start the request for a LT ATT.
In Ontario, the club sponsors, requests and receives the LT ATT. They give you a copy.
Once you get that copy you can take (usually all restricted firearms registered to your address to all CFO approved ranges in Ontario.)
The LTATT is only good for as long as you are a member in good standing with that club - They "own" the ATT in a way and will usually call the CFO to revoke it should you stop being a club member.
If you do any of this out of sequence you'll experience more delays than you need to.
Getting on the club membership early (though not absolutely required to buy a restricted) only expedites the ATT and Club safety course steps. You have to have a membership anyway so don't delay it.
Each step takes "a couple of weeks"
Oh, and say goodbye to your other hobbies, and any spare funds you thought you had.
In Ontario it's exactly as Trotter said.
Just to be more clear:
Since you have an RPAL.
- Start shopping. (Buy what you want)
- Join a club that has "rentals" or club guns (so you can shoot in the meantime).
The benefit to club guns is you get to sample before you buy.
- Take the club level safety course (if they require it)
- Buy a restricted. (Dealers can be quicker than private sale but not always)
Dealers will require you supply the name of a club you are a member of or INTEND to be a member of.
- A Temp ATT will be requested by dealer and when it arrives the dealer will ship to you (you pay up front) You don't need to call the CFO they do everything.
or
- Private sale (pay up front usually)
Seller initiates transfer to CFO gets a ref #.
You then call Ontario CFO with said ref # to confirm transfer.
Wait for paperwork to arrive in the mail, this a Notification of Transfer (Buyer).
When that notification arrives, THEN and only THEN do you call the Ontario CFO to request a 1 time ATT for the the physical transfer of the firearm by mail or pickup.
When it arrives or you pick it up put it in a legally approved storage container and wait again for the official registration certificate (Its the one with the GREEN cover page from the RCMP - Miramichi)
When the reg cert comes, jump for joy and call your club to start the request for a LT ATT.
In Ontario, the club sponsors, requests and receives the LT ATT. They give you a copy.
Once you get that copy you can take (usually all restricted firearms registered to your address to all CFO approved ranges in Ontario.)
The LTATT is only good for as long as you are a member in good standing with that club - They "own" the ATT in a way and will usually call the CFO to revoke it should you stop being a club member.
If you do any of this out of sequence you'll experience more delays than you need to.
Getting on the club membership early (though not absolutely required to buy a restricted) only expedites the ATT and Club safety course steps. You have to have a membership anyway so don't delay it.
Each step takes "a couple of weeks"
Oh, and say goodbye to your other hobbies, and any spare funds you thought you had.
Just a question though, what if I'm not home when the F/A is delivered by CP, will I just pick it up at the nearest CP office (will there be ATT issues for me going there?); or CP will arrange for an appointment to deliver it again on my doorstep?
