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Klunk

Klunk

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Well...I couldnt resist

Very nicely made...great markings

Cheaper than a $2 Hooker...and more expensive than anything else I own..:puke:

Functions perfect (round nose ammo only...dont even know why ammo makers do that 'truncated nose crap)

Surpisingly accurate

and JUST LIKE shooting a prohibited 12(3) subgun

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Markings...copied directly from a genuine example as shown in Desperate Measures
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Functions perfect??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (round nose ammo only...dont even know why ammo makers do that 'truncated nose crap)

It did actually hit the broadside of a barn. (literally!!!!!!!!!)
 
tiriaq said:
Congratulations! I've been trying to talk myself into getting one.
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Have to admit that the thought has crossed my mind too...

Hey Klunk- How is the barrel held on? Is it permanent or removable? I ask because of course the idea of replacing it with a 19" tube interests me...

I did handle one of those at Aylmer last summer...I think John from Marstar said the barrel is not removable but not sure.

How many mags does it come with and how much are extras?
 
The Mp3008 barrel is pinned on.

Hey Klunk - nice snag! Notice you have an MP41 mag in it - did you get an MP38u40 mag too?

Now you need some accessories like pouches, sling, etc.

I LOVE My BD38 as well! :)
 
cantom said:
Hey Klunk- How is the barrel held on? Is it permanent or removable? I ask because of course the idea of replacing it with a 19" tube interests me...

?
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Its either pinned or pinned AND welded

It appears the 'bbl trunnion' is welded into the reciever tube...barrel inserted...barrel appears to have a fat collar that the pin passes through

IF its only pinned a bit of careful work with a die grinder to remove the VERY heavy peening and pound out the pin

Its such a simple design-even compared to its Mommy, the STEN it shouldnt be hard to do....make a fun gopher gun


Hey Klunk - nice snag! Notice you have an MP41 mag in it - did you get an MP38u40 mag too?
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Its seems they have WAY more '41 mags than 38-40s

I already have 2 pouch sets and 4 or 5 mags...acouple are 38-40 mags
 
Klunk said:
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CAUTION...No gaurentee's on items labeled...but Im pretty sure
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Great pics Klunk and thanks. No small matter with all those welds in place to remove that barrel...hell of a lot harder than on a Sten...:(

Might be easier to talk Johnone into offering a factory 19" option...;)
 
cantom said:
Great pics Klunk and thanks. No small matter with all those welds in place to remove that barrel...hell of a lot harder than on a Sten...:(
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No...I think yer missing the point...the welds need to be cut to remove the trunnion...

The barrel comes out of the trunnion just by removing the pin

It looks like a tight fit though and a new bbl would have to be machined to match the trunnion...I would do it in my garage with a die grinder and a six pack
 
Original load for the 9 Para used a truncated-conical projectile. This was changed to a round-nose in 1915 or 1916 following complaints under the hague Convention ((1899-1900) regarding the use of expanding bullets. The Germans also complained about our use of lead bullets in the Webley Mark VI, under the same provision of the same Convention, which is why War Two ammo for the poor old Webley had that silly jacketed bullet...... and still went only 630 ft/sec, which isn't enough to give upset anyway (unless you hit bone). It was all politics, of course.
But to be honest to your MP-3008, TC ammo was in very short supply in 1945. No matter, you can share my bunker any time.
 
In reality, almost no ww2 era subgun will feed TC ammo very well. Even soft-point round nose ammo feeds poorly in most sub guns.

According to Laidler, during the STEN trials, all the ball ammo ran great. The trial gun (T40/1) had many stoppages though, almost all attributed to Winchester soft-point ammunition sent over by the Americans as part of Lend-Lease.

None of the German MP series subguns runs very well on non-ball ammo either.

I have no experience with the Sterling MkIV, but I'd bet it liked ball the best too.
 
Claven2 said:
In reality, almost no ww2 era subgun will feed TC ammo very well. Even soft-point round nose ammo feeds poorly in most sub guns.

According to Laidler, during the STEN trials, all the ball ammo ran great. The trial gun (T40/1) had many stoppages though, almost all attributed to Winchester soft-point ammunition sent over by the Americans as part of Lend-Lease.

None of the German MP series subguns runs very well on non-ball ammo either.

I have no experience with the Sterling MkIV, but I'd bet it liked ball the best too.
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Sterlings do MUCH better with ammo other than round nose....but they will still have the odd "bullet mushed into edge of chamber" than if round 'ball' ammo is used
 
Klunk said:
Well...I couldnt resist

Very nicely made...great markings

Cheaper than a $2 Hooker...and more expensive than anything else I own..:puke:

Functions perfect (round nose ammo only...dont even know why ammo makers do that 'truncated nose crap)

Surpisingly accurate

and JUST LIKE shooting a prohibited 12(3) subgun

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OK, HISTORY question on this puppy. Back in 1990 while serving in LAHR Germany I visited the Mauser Factory in Oberndorf, and at their musem they had what at the time appeared to me to be a Sten gun. The curator only spoke german and I did not understand enough to figure out what he was saying. But I blurted out British Sten guun... He says,, NEIN NEIN,, das ist deutsch.. what ever....blah blah.. damn I wish I could have spoken german to figure that out..

Anyhow now that I see this thing, It looks almost identical to a sten other than the mag points downward instead of sideways. Was it possible that I was looking at one of these in the musem? Was this weapon a German attempt to copy the sten... or was the sten a copy of this?? Or were they both born totally seperate from each other.

I heard stories that the Sten was quickly invented to take advantage of captured German 9mm ammunition. Is that true..
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Ok, some history. The Lanchester MkI copied the MP28. For the price of one Thompson, the Brits could make 5 Lanchesters. This was still too expensive. RSAF Enfield developped the Sten Mk1 which took 12 hours to make and 12 could be built for the price of a Thompson. Ultimately, the MkIII sten took only 5.5 hours to make and cost under 2 pounds sterling to make. (Thompsons were about 55 Pounds Sterling each).

The MP3008 was a German copy embodying features of captured MkII and MkIII stens. It's the best form of flattery, really.
 
K98ACTION said:
OK, HISTORY question on this puppy. Back in 1990 while serving in LAHR Germany I visited the Mauser Factory in Oberndorf, and at their musem they had what at the time appeared to me to be a Sten gun. The curator only spoke german and I did not understand enough to figure out what he was saying. But I blurted out British Sten guun... He says,, NEIN NEIN,, das ist deutsch.. what ever....blah blah.. damn I wish I could have spoken german to figure that out..

Anyhow now that I see this thing, It looks almost identical to a sten other than the mag points downward instead of sideways. Was it possible that I was looking at one of these in the musem? Was this weapon a German attempt to copy the sten... or was the sten a copy of this?? Or were they both born totally seperate from each other.

I heard stories that the Sten was quickly invented to take advantage of captured German 9mm ammunition. Is that true..
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Yes, the Germans made a nearly identical copy of the British Sten MkII right down to the inspection markings and magazines, for clandestine and "behind enemy lines" use.

IIRC the contract was for @30,000 of the things.

The major identifier is that the mag housing has a fold in it.
 
Lee Enfield said:
Yes, the Germans made a nearly identical copy of the British Sten MkII right down to the inspection markings and magazines, for clandestine and "behind enemy lines" use.

IIRC the contract was for @30,000 of the things.

The major identifier is that the mag housing has a fold in it.
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That's what I figured way back in 90 at the mauser factory. The old German was pretty damn proud of that Sten look a like, he went on and on about it.. bloody shame I could not understand him. Anyhow if anyone ever visits the factory in Oberndorf check it out.
 
Lee Enfield said:
Yes, the Germans made a nearly identical copy of the British Sten MkII right down to the inspection markings and magazines, for clandestine and "behind enemy lines" use.

IIRC the contract was for @30,000 of the things.

The major identifier is that the mag housing has a fold in it.
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Check the section dealing with these guns in Weaver's Desperate Measures. The Mauser Sten does not have copied British markings. Mauser did the developmental work for the 3008, after finishing the production run of Stens in the late fall of 1944. The Mauser museum has one of their Stens, in essentially new condition. The story of its acquisition is interesting - a Mauser employee pilfered it, hid it and eventually turned it in after the war. The only other museum example of one of these guns is in Poland, and it was dug up. The rest of them seem to have just disappeared.
There are a small number of surviving MP3008s in various collections. Weaver was able to examine or obtain photos of some when preparing the book. A Munich auction house sold one (fully functional) not too long ago. Didn't check the price realized, but the auction estimate was 9 000 Euros. A few years ago, they also sold a VK98 and a VG1, for rather substantial amounts.
I have fired a substantial amount of handloaded 9mm ammunition in Stens, loaded with Lyman 356402U cast from wheelweights - a flat pointed truncated cone design. Worked just fine.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if this same company decided to expand their line to include the STEN Mk2, 3, and of course the beloved Mk5.
 
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