Hello gun nutz, this is my first post. I am in the market for a 22 pistol and had it down to the S&W M&P 22 or the Ruger SR22p(if we ever see them in Canada- been holding breath for a while now). In a 22 I am partial to the SA/DA to help with FTF. I came across a Slovakian made "Grand Power" model K22s.They are SA/DA and look well built and are popular in Europe and the UK. I am having a heck of a time getting any feedback on these units. They are polymer frame and have a steel slide instead of pot metal and a 5 inch bull barrel,sounds good to me. I don't want anything that will only feed mini mags and am getting mixed answers from shooters in the UK. Some say it will eat anything, others say it will shoot "best" with mini mag. Anyone out there have experiance with this model or the X-trim up model? If so what did you think of it?
Grand Power 22lr Pistol
- Thread starter Mikethebowguy
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With a steel slide you may well have to use mini mags to move it..
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That makes sense... the minis have always worked well for heavier slides.
It it a bit fussier. Minimags and Federal bulk are great. I haven't tried the lighter spring to see what else may work.
It's my favorite pistol, it just feels great. Really nice trigger. Not that much metal left on the slide= looks like the Beretta.
I try to end range trips using it so I walk away with a smile on my face.
It's my favorite pistol, it just feels great. Really nice trigger. Not that much metal left on the slide= looks like the Beretta.
I try to end range trips using it so I walk away with a smile on my face.
Is it accurate for its class? Any reason I should wait for the ruger? I will be shooting with my 10 year old daughter on occasion . ( 1 round loaded at a time for her. ) is the frame ok size for small hands or big like the Beretta?
My older K22 X-Trim is accurate, super nice to hold, nice trigger, nice sights (matches my Shadow with the red FO FSP), but mine only cycles reliably with CCI AR Tactical ammo. The mags are junk and I run into feeding problems when I load more than 7 rounds. New mags are coming to Canada soon so I'll try those. Still doesn't solve the ammo cycling issue though. Soon it'll be a paperweight because I won't be able to find the one brand of ammo it likes. Maybe in 5 years if the .22LR ammo shortage is over by then I'll be able to use it. More likely I'll introduce it to a milling machine and machine the slide until near death so it's lighter and will cycle with more ammo.
Have a read through this thread here
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...s-on-Grand-Power-9mm-s-22-s-and-range-reports
I have the K22s and it's pretty finicky, the reliability just isn't there for me, not to mention finding parts and support may be challenging as Grand Power recently changed their Canadian distributor and I don't think they're fully stocked up yet.
It's a full size hand gun, not a scaled down model of it's centre fire counterpart so it might be a little big for your daughter's hands.
I've run a variety of ammo through mine: mini mags, velociters, stingers, winchester bulk, golden bullets, thunderbolts, blazers, federal Champion , federal auto match, Sellier & Bellot and all of those have given me issues. Usually it's a light primer strike with the occasional FTE. Worse for me was the winchester white box, thunderbolts and golden bullets. I seemed to have the most success with Federal Auto Match and SB Standard ammo.
I wouldn't recommend one after having mine for a while and it not going "bang" every time I pull the trigger. I'm seriously considering replacing it with a PPQ M2. My friend has a M&P22 and that thing will eat all types of ammo without any problems, I've run all the same above ammo through his and his M&P goes bang every single time.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...s-on-Grand-Power-9mm-s-22-s-and-range-reports
I have the K22s and it's pretty finicky, the reliability just isn't there for me, not to mention finding parts and support may be challenging as Grand Power recently changed their Canadian distributor and I don't think they're fully stocked up yet.
It's a full size hand gun, not a scaled down model of it's centre fire counterpart so it might be a little big for your daughter's hands.
I've run a variety of ammo through mine: mini mags, velociters, stingers, winchester bulk, golden bullets, thunderbolts, blazers, federal Champion , federal auto match, Sellier & Bellot and all of those have given me issues. Usually it's a light primer strike with the occasional FTE. Worse for me was the winchester white box, thunderbolts and golden bullets. I seemed to have the most success with Federal Auto Match and SB Standard ammo.
I wouldn't recommend one after having mine for a while and it not going "bang" every time I pull the trigger. I'm seriously considering replacing it with a PPQ M2. My friend has a M&P22 and that thing will eat all types of ammo without any problems, I've run all the same above ammo through his and his M&P goes bang every single time.
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If you had the centerfire version i could see wanting the rimfire one...heck, i wouldn't mind one as i'm a bit addicted to rimfire currently....but the buckmark in any model is a far better pistol for the price, and easy to find support and mags for as well. And FTF rounds rack out quickly, and are just as easily fed into the next mag for a retry. Even on the rimfires i have with a hammer, i generally rack em out so the pin hits a different spot on the rim the next time around.
If you do find one, let us know how you find it....try posting your question in the handgun forum below for more specific feed back. Welcome aboard.
If you do find one, let us know how you find it....try posting your question in the handgun forum below for more specific feed back. Welcome aboard.
We the I's have it, as in I don't want a gun that only reliably shoot one kind of bullet. I agree, better to buy a single action that actually shots than a double capable of pulverizing the primer without setting it off or jamming on the first shot. Browning and Ruger MK are great but I can't get past the looks which is half the fun of owning. Tacti-cool........guilty as charged!! I guess I'll hold out for the SR or try the M&P. I don't expect they will drive tacks but the Olympics aren't calling me any time soon
Thanks to everyone who replied. This is a great resource, I'm glad I joined.
Cheers for now..Bowguy
I guess I'm late to the party.
I purchased my K22s (non-xtrim) from the Dlask blowout sale with the Gen 1 mags and springs. It was definitely a finicky shooter to start, as noted by other posters, with mag feeding issues with full mags. A quick email to the GP rep for Canada and he had me setup with the newer Gen 2 mags and the newer recessed recoil spring system. These changes made it from a picky unreliable pistol to a pistol that can shoot anything through it. It still loves the high velocity copper jacketed ammo (mini mags, Fdederal AE22, Velocitors), but I have been running CCI Standard Velocity Lead Nose rounds (1070FPS) without issues.
This past weekend we ran it pretty hard between 3 shooters. We shot around 500 rounds with out feeding or ejection issues. Then around 500 round mark we started to get some failures, but a bit of cleaning fixed that and we were able to shoot another 200 without issue.
Recently, I was able to compare my pistol to a new out of box pistol at a GP demo event and the new K22s looks to have improved on the mistakes of the older gen K22s. It seems to have a smoother slide action, it has the new recessed spring system and comes with the new Gen 2 mags.
As with any firearm purchase, see if a local gun range has one to rent out and see how it feels.
I purchased my K22s (non-xtrim) from the Dlask blowout sale with the Gen 1 mags and springs. It was definitely a finicky shooter to start, as noted by other posters, with mag feeding issues with full mags. A quick email to the GP rep for Canada and he had me setup with the newer Gen 2 mags and the newer recessed recoil spring system. These changes made it from a picky unreliable pistol to a pistol that can shoot anything through it. It still loves the high velocity copper jacketed ammo (mini mags, Fdederal AE22, Velocitors), but I have been running CCI Standard Velocity Lead Nose rounds (1070FPS) without issues.
This past weekend we ran it pretty hard between 3 shooters. We shot around 500 rounds with out feeding or ejection issues. Then around 500 round mark we started to get some failures, but a bit of cleaning fixed that and we were able to shoot another 200 without issue.
Recently, I was able to compare my pistol to a new out of box pistol at a GP demo event and the new K22s looks to have improved on the mistakes of the older gen K22s. It seems to have a smoother slide action, it has the new recessed spring system and comes with the new Gen 2 mags.
As with any firearm purchase, see if a local gun range has one to rent out and see how it feels.
Interesting.
I asked on the GP forum about changes in design but last time I checked no one had replied about that..... ( I should probably check
)Can you post some pictures of the new spring set up and magazine?
Sure thing, I'll get some pictures when I get home from work today. I still have the old mags and spring.
The new springs are recessed so it has a long thin spring that sits in a shorter wide spring. From what I can tell, it allows for a greater range of ammo to be used with the pistol. For the mags, I think they tweaked the moulding process for the mags allowing for a better fit. They look very similar to the older style but the follower motion is smoother than the older mags and the 22 rounds don't get stuck like in the old ones.
The new springs are recessed so it has a long thin spring that sits in a shorter wide spring. From what I can tell, it allows for a greater range of ammo to be used with the pistol. For the mags, I think they tweaked the moulding process for the mags allowing for a better fit. They look very similar to the older style but the follower motion is smoother than the older mags and the 22 rounds don't get stuck like in the old ones.
If you want a gun that looks more like a center fire then go with the M&P. Or consider a GSG 1911. Either way be sure whatever you get uses steel lips in the mag. You'll shoot a LOT of ammo from a rimfire gun once the prices on rimfire ammo get somewhere back to normal when Obama is no longer in the driver's seat. And either brand will be better for a long term availability of parts.
I've shot both the M&P and the GSG. Of the two the 1911 shape and size grips of the GSG is going to be easier for your daughter to hold well. And yet they fit big hands nicely too. Just don't get lured into a Browning 1911 .22. I've held one in a store and it's too small for big hands. I wear a L to XL glove depending on brand as an indicator of what I'm saying.
I've shot both the M&P and the GSG. Of the two the 1911 shape and size grips of the GSG is going to be easier for your daughter to hold well. And yet they fit big hands nicely too. Just don't get lured into a Browning 1911 .22. I've held one in a store and it's too small for big hands. I wear a L to XL glove depending on brand as an indicator of what I'm saying.
Well that's just great, just when I made my mind up you guys throw more info at me! Still on the fence but I think if nothing else the S&W or Ruger will hold resale if I upgrade. I second the Browning 1911-22 comment. It's cute but felt toylike in my hand. Don't think I could take myself seriously with that in the safe.
Thanks again, keep it coming.
PS the prez sneezes and the industry gets sick, who else is predicting another run on ammo if this 5.56 deal passes?
Still on the fence but I think if nothing else the S&W or Ruger will hold resale if I upgrade. I second the Browning 1911-22 comment. It's cute but felt toylike in my hand. Don't think I could take myself seriously with that in the safe.Thanks again, keep it coming.
PS the prez sneezes and the industry gets sick, who else is predicting another run on ammo if this 5.56 deal passes?
Well that's just great, just when I made my mind up you guys throw more info at me!
I definitely agree that the Browning 1911-22 is on the small side. It is made well and it is a nice shooter, but small. My hands are L->XL in Mechanix glove sizing.
Though, if you are not going to be the primary shooter or have medium size hands or smaller, it is definitely going to be a good 22 pistol.
Interesting to hear about the new springs. Would love to see a pic of that. Do you know if they are the same springs as on the current series of K22S/K22 X-Trims?
