No doubt and by design. Not bashing the gun it's made that size for a reason and would be perfect for my girl. My big square palms hang past the grip by 3/4 ". So it's not the one for me. I bet it shoots well though.
Grand Power 22lr Pistol
- Thread starter Mikethebowguy
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No doubt and by design. Not bashing the gun it's made that size for a reason and would be perfect for my girl. My big square palms hang past the grip by 3/4 ". So it's not the one for me. I bet it shoots well though.
Finally home and took some pictures.
The following link is to my OneDrive album where you can see everything in one folder.
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I'm sorry I can't get a full detailed report on the spring tension as I don't have the tools to to that at home.
Top = Old Spring ---- Bottom = New Recessed Spring
The new spring is definitely longer and gives a more positive linear slide action when manually racking the slide.
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Top = Old Spring ---- Bottom = New Recessed Spring
Another view of the two springs, this time with the recessed springs separated.
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Old Spring on the OP Rod
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Recessed Spring on the OP Rod
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Gen2 Mag = GP Stamp on Mag ---- Gen1 Mag = No Stamp
As with the springs, I unfortunately don't have a punch to open them up to take comparison pictures.
All I can say is that there is a lot less rough edges on the Gen2 mag and the follower has a smoother feel.
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The following link is to my OneDrive album where you can see everything in one folder.
Album
I'm sorry I can't get a full detailed report on the spring tension as I don't have the tools to to that at home.
Top = Old Spring ---- Bottom = New Recessed Spring
The new spring is definitely longer and gives a more positive linear slide action when manually racking the slide.
Full Size
Top = Old Spring ---- Bottom = New Recessed Spring
Another view of the two springs, this time with the recessed springs separated.
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Old Spring on the OP Rod
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Recessed Spring on the OP Rod
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Gen2 Mag = GP Stamp on Mag ---- Gen1 Mag = No Stamp
As with the springs, I unfortunately don't have a punch to open them up to take comparison pictures.
All I can say is that there is a lot less rough edges on the Gen2 mag and the follower has a smoother feel.
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I have a K22S that I bought last Fall. I'm still undecided about it. From what I read it has far fewer issues than the X-trim model but is still a little picky sometimes. I was getting some FTF on the first round loaded by dropping the slide but that seemed to ease up after a couple of hundred rounds . I haven't shot it in awhile as I tend to shoot .22 mostly outdoors. I like the look and feel of the gun and it seems well made so I think I will give it another workout before deciding if it's a keeper or EE bound.
Cocked&Locked
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I doubt you'll ever see the SR22 in canada, unless you pay to have one rebarreled and imported, which will at least double the cost. For what your saying you want, go with the M&P.. The GSG is worth a look, and someone was bringing in a beretta clone in 22 as well. all had hammers for restrike. ISSC (i believe) makes a psuedo-glock 22 with a hammer as well that some like.
I'd still rather pay for the buckmark, or up a bit for a MKIII ruger, as they are both over twice the gun of any of the centerfire clones, but if you want the centerfire look....Lots of good information here, good luck in your choice!
I'd still rather pay for the buckmark, or up a bit for a MKIII ruger, as they are both over twice the gun of any of the centerfire clones, but if you want the centerfire look....Lots of good information here, good luck in your choice!
Yup, go ahead and post away.
Hopefully they can get it sorted out and maybe send out the new style springs to you to try out in your 22.
I tend to agree. Or even add in the S&W 22a for a more budget priced option. We don't read much about the S&W but those with them seem to enjoy them.
If the looks bother you then consider that when in the hand and looking over the sights it'll look pretty much like a center fire gun just fine. And because they are purpose designed from the outset as a rimfire gun they don't have the die cast alloy slides used by all the center fire style guns.
The reason for the die cast alloy slides is that the weight of a full steel slide would be too much for the power of the rimfire round. So they need to be lighter. This means either a smaller slide or making the slide from something other than steel.
Of the center fire style guns there are only a couple I know of that use something other than die cast slides. These being the CZ Kadet, which uses a half slide of steel, and the Kimber .22 1911 that uses a forged or fully machined aluminium slide.
Yes if it was only me shooting I would opt for the CZ Kadet no question. I love that gun and it reviews very well but it is to big for her hand. CZ makes fine hardware, I bought a 527 carbine in 7.62x39 for my oldest girl and machined a break and mercury recoil suppressor for it to reduce the recoil to almost nothing. That will be her starter for hunting in a couple of years and her range gun for now.
My big boy gun will be the CZ 75b in stainless matte when the dollar levels out. I was quoted 750 for the Kadet conversion which is pretty steep considering the Kadet as a whole is 950. Even more insulting is the 9mm can be had for 650 in blued.
The 22 is just to get us started. I promissed my girl 2 bucks for each bullseye at the range with her Savage single shot and I was getting tired of range trips costing me 50 bucks so it's time for a pistol
I haven't had a chance to hold the S&W 22a yet, might be an option.
My big boy gun will be the CZ 75b in stainless matte when the dollar levels out. I was quoted 750 for the Kadet conversion which is pretty steep considering the Kadet as a whole is 950. Even more insulting is the 9mm can be had for 650 in blued.
The 22 is just to get us started. I promissed my girl 2 bucks for each bullseye at the range with her Savage single shot and I was getting tired of range trips costing me 50 bucks so it's time for a pistol
I haven't had a chance to hold the S&W 22a yet, might be an option.
Marvel makes a 1911 conversion that is similar to the cadet with a fixed main slide and smaller recipricating section.
All steel and locks back on empty.
The surplus Berreta mod 71's that are currently available are very reliable and fit small and big hands alike.
All steel and locks back on empty.
The surplus Berreta mod 71's that are currently available are very reliable and fit small and big hands alike.
Cocked&Locked
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- S. Ontario
you will like the 22a. Can-downs suggestion for the berreta is a really good one for small hands. All the ladies i've had shoot mine like it, and most of the kids too.
If its not to much trouble ask your friend what they think of the M&P trigger. It's plastic and jointed, looks like it will snap off to me. We stopped in at our local shop this aft and the 22A ( at least the model they had in stock) was too big and heavy in her hand. The M&P was a decent fit as was the ISSC for her. I found the ISSC a bit small. Like the Browning 1911-22, the grip is good but my pinky does not sit on the grip, just hangs in limbo. Damn my fat Kraut hands!
I may have to buy the 1911-22 for her and the CZ for me. Then work Ot to pay for it all
Cocked&Locked
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try the buckmark lite model....the centerfire M&P trigger is jointed plastic and it doesn't break, either do glock triggers.
Mike, you should try and relax your pinky and use your second and third fingers for most of the "grip".
You don't really need to hold on with the pinky and it will open up a lot more options like SA cowboy type guns and compact's
You don't really need to hold on with the pinky and it will open up a lot more options like SA cowboy type guns and compact's
Nothing worse than a man with a limp pinky...LOL, had to say it! Worth a shot, I certainly don't have much shooting experiance with handguns so I'll give it a try at the range on club night. They have a couple of range guns and I'm sure someone would let me try out whatever is on the table in front of them. I was killing time this aft and saw the Baretta Neos, it's a bit star treck to the eye but it might be worth a look too.
Thanks again for all the input...Much appreciated.
Thanks again for all the input...Much appreciated.
If its not to much trouble ask your friend what they think of the M&P trigger. It's plastic and jointed, looks like it will snap off to me. We stopped in at our local shop this aft and the 22A ( at least the model they had in stock) was too big and heavy in her hand. The M&P was a decent fit as was the ISSC for her. I found the ISSC a bit small. Like the Browning 1911-22, the grip is good but my pinky does not sit on the grip, just hangs in limbo. Damn my fat Kraut hands!
I may have to buy the 1911-22 for her and the CZ for me. Then work Ot to pay for it all
Ack sorry missed your question, he likes the m&p trigger, he has both the m&p 22 and the m&p 9, it's been a couple of months since I've shot his m&p 22 so I really don't remember how the trigger compares to other guns I've handled. I wouldn't worry about the trigger snapping it off, he's put thousands of rounds through his without any problems, and I've run probably about 500 rounds through his without any issues or without even thinking the trigger would break.
You're doing the smart thing, taking your daughter with you when you go shopping so she can get a feel of the guns to see if she'll like it. Last thing you want to do is spend money on a gun that she really doesn't like and won't shoot. Best advice I can give you, is find a gun that she likes, but don't buy it right away and then do your research look at youtube reviews and come ask questions here like you did about the k22s. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion or same experience but the more research you do, the more comfortable you'll be in deciding if the gun is right for both you and your daughter. Ideally as others have suggested is see if you can try the gun first, last thing you want to do is buy a gun that you haven't done any research in and get frustrated with it when you take it out.
