Great Day At The Range - Lots of Data

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Had a great day at the range with my M305 (Blackfeather, Op Rod Spring Guide, shimmed, 3-9x40 scope on CASM) and put more than 150 rounds down-range over about 4 hours. This was a lot of fun and more range time than I've managed to squeeze into my schedule over about a year :(.

Have recently started to reload and have wanted to find a good recipe for 150 to 155 grain bullets since I've had good results with Hornady Commercial ammo in this weight. Thought I'd share my results and observations.

It was a hot day (30+ degrees) and the range was full with a dude shooting a Sharps Quigley 45-70 right next door to me. His shots were a little unnerving to say the least and a number of rounds were pulled when the timing of shots was unfortunate. Anyway, since I am trying to test for loads, COAL and powder type (I know..I know...you stats types will say too many tests, not enough samples) I took some time to record results and do some analysis. See a summary below, all data from 100 yards, 5 round groups:

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What wasn't a surprise is that the order-of-the-group after a target change was a huge factor. The barrel cooling-off period seems to result in over a 1" difference in group size for the group immediately following a target change. This might also be due to the shooter settling-in after a target change but I suspect the former. All-in, the gun (and me) was shooting 2.6" groups for the day, with these reloads. The big surprise is the best group of the day at 0.8 inches - the stars must have aligned for that one (pic at the end).

That said, 40-41 grains of either IMR 3031 or 4895 shows about 0.5" better performance than larger loads. A shorter COAL (1.75") and a longer COAL (2.81") seem to provide marginally smaller groups than anything in-between although I'm measuring base-to-tip rather than from base-to-ogive-reference-point). Interestingly rounds with IMR4895 that were thrown showed 0.3" smaller groups than those where the charges were weighed. There aren't enough rounds to make this significant but it is interesting - makes me wonder if my scale is sufficiently consistent/ accurate.

I played a little with the BF Op. Rod Guide tension and there is a huge POI change. Average group size seemed to change from an average of 2.9" before the change, to 2.1" after. This isn't as compelling as it might sound since there was a target change before the BF tension-change but not after. Also 6 groups before and only 2 groups after (for that batch/recipe of rounds).

Best group-of-the-day pic:D. IMR4895 - 40.8 gr, Hornady 150 gr SST, 2.75" COAL.
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Lots of great data Pr, nice to have someone taking time to record everything and I'm glad you enjoyed your day out.

Your day was very hot(30c) as well and that rifle didn't get to cool much, then again they were meant to have extended firing sessions. I'm waiting here right now,.... a bunch of guns and gear packed waiting till about 6p.m to head out, it's pushing 40c with humidex here right now, so I probably won't enjoy it a whole lot, and then as it cools a tad, here comes the flies............
 
Very interesting - nice work. Could you explain a little about the "BF Op Rod tension" I am not sure I know what you are refering to. Gas plug backing out?-Thanks

Hey Sluggo,

The Blackfeather stock has a large Operating Rod Guide (ORG) that replaces the original, similar M14/M305 part. The key differences are that the Blackfeather ORG is tightly buttressed in the BF stock, and has a threaded, adjustable screw on the bottom that affixes the ORG to the bottom of the stock. This allows adjustments of the screw to change the downward, or upward tension placed on the Op. Rod (and the barrel). On a stock M14, this tension can be achieved by messing with the fit of the front band (ie.e the part that holds the front of the handguard to the barrel and Op. Rod.

Frank (M14.ca) and Laz (who performed most of the testing of the BF) claim that Op. Rod tension can have a significant improvement on accuracy if "tuned" correctly for a specific rifle. See the link below.

http://www.m14.ca/m14blackfeather/pdf/EDC_M14.ca_Tension_Adjustable_ORG_FINAL.pdf

Paul
 
Very nice Paul.
That .8 group must have been so satisfying, I know my gun would have spat out the 1 in 5 flyer and opened her up some LOL

Thanks for taking the time and for being the first "Gucci" rig to post groups ( that Im aware of, and Im always looking)

How does your rifle do with 168's.............mine does not like them at all compared to 150s with 41gr H4895

Cheers ...
Derek
 
Derek,

I haven't really tested 168 grain loads but I made the mistake of using a classic but untested load for a recent qualification shoot for our range's 300 yard distance. This was 40.5 grains of IMR4895 under a 168, seated at 2.8" COAL. The rifle hated it, shooting no better than 4" groups. T'was a mite embarrassing. The funny thing is that I had a few carelessly thrown 41.5 grain loads of the same 168's which I tried after the qualification and the darn rifle shot 1.5 to 2.5 inch groups.

Anyway I found some more 168 grain pills this week and have some more powder coming which will allow me to run some good load tests. I'll share when I can find more range time.

P.s. Anyone have a good source for 308 brass?
 
Good work, well documented, and having a SUB-moa group plus other groups hovering around MOA shows the potential accuracy of the M14 in the Blackfeather "RS."

These tests somewhat duplicate our range testing using factory ammo, however you are using reloads, which gets even more complicated. To get a better idea of the effects of the op rod guide tension changes, the testing should isolate one variable at a time. Pick a favorite load, standardise on that load [ powder/OAL/etc ] and change only the op rod tension. This way you are tuning the barrel harmonics for that particular load, rather than tuning the loads to the rifle. Both techniques will work, and when both load and op rod tension are adjusted for best groups, some amazing accuracy may be achieved.

Allow cooling between strings, and minimise all other variables. Also, the first and last cartridge fed out of an M14 5/20 magazine will often have a significant difference in POI from the rest of the group [ as shown by the dozens of groups in testing where 4 out of 5 would be SUB-moa, with one flier.]

What we found significant was the fact that some of our best groups were shot with a dirty gas assembly and a hot rifle. Cleaning the gas cylinder seemed to make a difference.

Thanks for the great report. Cheers, Frank
 
Frank - thanks for your thoughts. I agree that my tests weren't effective re. Op Rod tension...was trying to find that favourite load which was the primary goal of my testing.

I fiddled with the BF tension to undo a change from a previous visit to the range that seemed to significantly reduce performance. I'm now looking for a 168 grain load recipe that I like. For now I'm going to use the load that produced my teeny group to be my go-to 150/155 grain load.

After settling on some recipes, I'll definitely run some optimization tests on the BF ORG tension...and share the results.

In the meantime, an one know where I can get some reasonably priced 308 brass?
 
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