Green tip 7.62x39

MapleSugar said:
I asked if he would be getting any more in soon and he informed me that the UN is preventing the trade of milsurp ammunition right now. It seems there is no problem finding the stuff, but it has become nearly impossible to have the stuff imported.
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Hogwash. Money is the issue in Canada, not the UN.

MapleSugar said:
He mentioned the name of a Vancouver importer that has eight containers sitting on a dock in China that are gathering dust because we can't legally receive them.
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Lever - and it's because no shipping line will handle ammo into Vancouver from China (unless you know the right people ;))
 
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CanAm said:
Hogwash. Money is the issue in Canada, not the UN.
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Hopefully that's all it is. We should get a pool together and buy a few containers ourselves.

CanAm said:
Lever - and it's because no shipping line will handle ammo into Vancouver from China (unless you know the right people ;))
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Correct name. What about Surrey Port then? I think they handle more container traffic than the Port of Vancouver.
 
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I believe it's more a case of small arms treaties coercing nations to de-mil ammo rather than surplus it. Still, most of the countries we are most likely to be getting ammo from care more about cash than diplomacy.
 
The container ports in Vancouver have no problem handling ammo. IN fact they really never know what is in the crates. It will be considered dangerous Cargo, but much more hazordous stuff moves through the docks everyday. There is slightly differest Stoage requirements for ships carrying that cargo but nothing to stop a ship from carrying it, there is 9 classes of dangerous cargo ships carry and ammo is lumped in with another class that idont recall right now, if anyone is interested i will check out my nautical library, but generally the requirements on board ship is that they are at least 3 containers away from any other container with reactive cargo. The ship will hvae a manifest for those containers but only for the purpose of stowing them properly. The companies dont care what they ship as long as the checque clears. I am certain its paper work on one of the government ends holding it up and certainly not the terminal in Vancouver or the ship carrying it.

Believe it or not they are set up for that kind of thing.

regards,
gavin
 
MapleSugar said:
Hopefully that's all it is. We should get a pool together and buy a few containers ourselves.



Correct name. What about Surrey Port then? I think they handle more container traffic than the Port of Vancouver.
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All the same port as far as the shipping co's are concerned. It has to do with designating US port as the alternate. I have explained it previously.
 
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So that's it, then???

Reasonable 7.62x39 is history?? Really? Forever?
Because if so, it will affect what I buy next.

Anyone know for sure what's going on?
 
Smoothbore said:
So that's it, then???

Reasonable 7.62x39 is history?? Really? Forever?
Because if so, it will affect what I buy next.

Anyone know for sure what's going on?
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Hmm if your right, then maybe I should hold on to the 7.62x39 ammo I was gonna sell on here a little longer, because prices are sure to get ugly very soon.
 
Well, if things finally do get settled I don't think we'll need to worry about shortages. Not if Lever gets 8 containers of ammo in. I just wonder what calibers they would stock.

It would be something if they have lots of that Norinco non-corrosive that everyone loves so much for cheap prices.
 
MapleSugar said:
Well, if things finally do get settled I don't think we'll need to worry about shortages. Not if Lever gets 8 containers of ammo in. I just wonder what calibers they would stock.

It would be something if they have lots of that Norinco non-corrosive that everyone loves so much for cheap prices.
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That ammo has been there for years. The reason it is not here has to do with the US ban on Norinco ammo since 94. Can't land at Seattle with Norinco ammo on board, so can't designate a second West coast port of discharge if Van is full. You aren't going to risk 5000 other containers being delayed for one can of ammo.
 
Hey CanAm, I didn't mean anything directed at you.
I really appreciate all your efforts.

Keep up the good work and I will place an order when the
motherlode arrives.

Smoothbore
 
CanAm said:
That ammo has been there for years. The reason it is not here has to do with the US ban on Norinco ammo since 94. Can't land at Seattle with Norinco ammo on board, so can't designate a second West coast port of discharge if Van is full. You aren't going to risk 5000 other containers being delayed for one can of ammo.
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Hmmmm....wonder if they couldn't send it on a ship to the Port ff Halifax first, provided it isn't supposed to land in the US first, then ship it by rail? See, problem solved!:)
 
CanAm said:
That ammo has been there for years. The reason it is not here has to do with the US ban on Norinco ammo since 94. Can't land at Seattle with Norinco ammo on board, so can't designate a second West coast port of discharge if Van is full. You aren't going to risk 5000 other containers being delayed for one can of ammo.
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Prince Rupert is actually a day closer in sailing time from Asia. It could always be the secondary port. It would just be a PITA to truck it from there to the Lower Mainland. It would probably be better to ship it all to P.G. or Edmonton and be based from there.
 
MapleSugar said:
Prince Rupert is actually a day closer in sailing time from Asia. It could always be the secondary port. It would just be a PITA to truck it from there to the Lower Mainland. It would probably be better to ship it all to P.G. or Edmonton and be based from there.
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No capacity at PR. The container port isn't even open. In a few years PR will be a good choice, but not now.
 
the judge said:
Hmmmm....wonder if they couldn't send it on a ship to the Port ff Halifax first, provided it isn't supposed to land in the US first, then ship it by rail? See, problem solved!:)
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Yes, that has been mentioned, but Chinese isn't THAT cheap that you can pay all that extra freight. Last time I checked Chinese X39 was $5 less per case than Russian. It's moot anyway,I have solved the shipping situation into Van. Now it is just a matter of getting the investors lined up.
 
CanAm said:
No capacity at PR. The container port isn't even open. In a few years PR will be a good choice, but not now.
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Hmm, I hadn't realized that. It should be hopping when it does open.

I suppose a ship could be unloaded, and the containers heading East by train, before it would normally be reaching port in Vancouver. Not to mention eliminating having to navigate the Inside Passage or having the train derail in the Fraser Canyon.
 
CanAm said:
Yes, that has been mentioned, but Chinese isn't THAT cheap that you can pay all that extra freight. Last time I checked Chinese X39 was $5 less per case than Russian. It's moot anyway,I have solved the shipping situation into Van. Now it is just a matter of getting the investors lined up.
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How many are necessary, and how much?
 
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