grizzly 8.5" folding stock questions.

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say i welded a tab onto a butler creek folding stock that prevents the stock from locking folded unless the action is open and the prevents the action from being closed while folded which prevents firing so it should be legal. but what about the transition from opened to folded? technically it can be fired under 26" but the stock is flopping around everywhere. would this make the gun a prohib and send me to prison or does it seem legit? i assure you my intentions are completely innocent. this is for the sake of convenience only so i can shove it in a back pack out camping, hunting, hiking etc.
 
Someone here just tried that and the cfc vetoed it. Best off to get a 12" lop stock, or a wood stock and trim it down to 26 1/2 inches.
 
I would argue, probably incorrectly, that a quick-detach stock should be legal, since it is legal to remove the stock regardless of the length of the stockless firearm.
 
just picture yourself standing there with a 22 year old mountie fresh out of depot and he's holding a tape measure.

"oh, no... just wait. You can't measure it until I unfold the stock and attach this little bolt. See, it's not unfolded yet, so it doesn't count."

You'll probably have a hard enough time getting someone in uniform to believe the 8.5 barrel wasn't cut down.... they don't exactly teach much about this stuff. Trust me, I have friends that do the job and some are flabbergasted when you show them what is actually legal. They probably won't know and are going to assume the worst until proven otherwise.
 
dogzilla said:
Someone here just tried that and the cfc vetoed it. Best off to get a 12" lop stock, or a wood stock and trim it down to 26 1/2 inches.
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My DLASK 8.5 with a Hogue short LOP stock is just a bit over 26 inches. Unrestricted, its as short as you can get.
 
dogzilla said:
Someone here just tried that and the cfc vetoed it. Best off to get a 12" lop stock, or a wood stock and trim it down to 26 1/2 inches.
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More accurately, they verbally vetoed it and are taking their sweet time providing me with a written confirmation of that. Unfortunately I don't get paid to do this dance full time like they do.

However, I think in this case they wouldn't accept it based on the transition period where it can technically be fired at less than 26", even if the stock is in an awkward position. I was careful with mine to ensure that at no point in the stock's swing below 26" could the action be closed.

Since I don't have unlimited time and energy for this, and want a usable gun in the meantime, I have gone to a fixed stock and will make it into a takedown style for throwing in the pack. If I anticipate needing it, I would have the stock unfolded anyways, so the extra time to assemble is an inconvenience not a deal breaker. Something for the OP to consider.

Juster said:
I would argue, probably incorrectly, that a quick-detach stock should be legal, since it is legal to remove the stock regardless of the length of the stockless firearm.
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I think you are correct, as long as with a pistol grip stock the detach point is on the receiver side.
 
i still find its a huge gray area because if i remove my stock i can technically still fire it albeit awkward and uncomfortable but the damn thing is 16 inches long. does that mean while im changimg stocks my gun is periodically prohibited? I think im going to buy a BC folder and at least attempt something so it is impossible for it to be fired at any time while under 26". and as far as the under educated cops go i really dont look forward to my first experience explaining how the gun is legal to a cop or just being arreated. ive had a cop pull up while my buddies and i were shooting and full on admit he knows nothing about gun laws and simply ask for our PALs.
 
Another option, though not for the 8.5" guys is to go with a folder and 18" barrel with mag cap rather than extension. That way you can remove the barrel and fold the stock. Less than 26" when non functional and well over 26" assembled.
 
i would think the classifiers should be happy to approve a gun that can not be fired in a folding position as logic would tell you that it is going to take longer to get the gun into action than a full stocked one . a folded gun is a bulky package and is no more concealable than its unfolded counterpart .as i see it transportation of the folded gun is one of the advantages as it will fit in a smaller space .carrying it folded would be a disadvantage in a hunting situation.i honestly do not know what their objection is as the law states if the gun can not be fired at less than twenty six inches it remains unrestricted .
 
Hi guys, Just got an 8.5" and finding all of the above info very interesting!
Couple questions...
What is available for a quick detach stock where the pistol grip detaches as well. I'm thinking this would be the way to go as it would be (nearly) impossible to fire without any stock. I'd argue that one till i was blue in the face with any cop.
also, anyone care to share details on how you're making the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded?
Thanks!
 
The only SG I know of that has a quickly removed stock is the Mossberg flex. Your only option is unbolting your buttstock for storage. And I agree, anyone stupid enough to touch off a 12 ga with absolutely no buttstock will probably need more medical attention than who he shot at. A follow up shot probably wouldn't even be possible without LSD or meth.
 
hockey_playah said:
Hi guys, Just got an 8.5" and finding all of the above info very interesting!
Couple questions...
What is available for a quick detach stock where the pistol grip detaches as well. I'm thinking this would be the way to go as it would be (nearly) impossible to fire without any stock. I'd argue that one till i was blue in the face with any cop.
also, anyone care to share details on how you're making the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded?
Thanks!
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Remington MCS which is the military version of the 870 Police.

However, I don't know of anyone who has bought the whole kit.

I have only seen the gun for sale with 18" barrel and full stock.

Never seen the kit for sale anywhere.

I'd assume if someone did own the kit it would be registered as restricted.
 
YES! MCS stock is exactly the kind of thing i'm after! unfortunately only sold to Law Enforcement Officers... :(
I'm thinking i'm going to play with a way to make the factory stock quick detachable... don't really care if i have a pistol grip or not. (not is probably better as it would b smaller in a pack). just looking for a way to fit this handy little unit inside a regular backpack when i'm out in the bush.
any other ideas greatly appreciated!
Thanks folks!
 
Just sayin

It won't the Dominion Arms that I tried though, due to the threaded hole in the back of the action being to big.

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Farmboy said:
Just sayin

It won't the Dominion Arms that I tried though, due to the threaded hole in the back of the action being to big.
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That's neat - are you able to share how the quick detach works? It looks like a latch on the top of the adapter?

If the issue is the thread size could you just track down a bolt of the correct thread and length and enlarge the hole through the adapter if necessary?

Because this detaches behind the pistol grip, I'm assuming they would measure OAL with the stock removed? Which would limit this to guns with longer barrels.

hockey_playah said:
Hi guys, Just got an 8.5" and finding all of the above info very interesting!
Couple questions...
What is available for a quick detach stock where the pistol grip detaches as well. I'm thinking this would be the way to go as it would be (nearly) impossible to fire without any stock. I'd argue that one till i was blue in the face with any cop.
also, anyone care to share details on how you're making the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded?
Thanks!
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I agree this is the way to go. Based on my experience with the tech office I think this is the only option that you'd be able to get approved. Anything else they just stonewall you - I still have not received a written reply to my inquiry. Wish I had the $$ to take the SOB's to court to prove them wrong, or at least a Conservative MP that might be willing to help. But if it detaches in front of the pistol grip it would be hard for them to say it is any more capable of being fired than a factory gun with the stock removed.

I haven't started on a quick detach yet myself, but I think the easiest way would be to bolt an aluminum or steel extension to the back of the receiver, ream out the adapter to sleeve over the extension, cross drill the extension and adapter, and put a quick detach pin through the adapter and extension locking them together. If you get something working please share it with us!

Edit: I was not aware of the MCS. It appears they use something similar to what I described above, a cross pin with some sort of detent to retain it. Perhaps one of our Canadian accessory manufacturers could make something similar? I think existing adapters could be modified to make it cheaper than starting from scratch? I would pay extra for a design like this.
 
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Rem MCS

I would be very interested in an MCS style detachable stock and pistol grip. Here are some close-ups of the Rem system:
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It appears to be a dovetail slide on system secured by a ball detent pin.

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