Grizzly hunter shot by guide, widow to sue
- Thread starter Slamfire
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Most of the real "winners" in this thread are already on my ignore list.... they are habitually illogical, short sighted, and self centred.
Angus, I have found a robust ignore list a great way to calm and smooth my internet browsing. I skim incendiary threads to add deserving names.
Angus, I have found a robust ignore list a great way to calm and smooth my internet browsing. I skim incendiary threads to add deserving names.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Yep no comment on the movie just a great representation of a mad grizzly and the frenzy and disorganization of it all. I’ve never been mauled and only bluff charged, one of my guides was just charged to 5 yards with a client last month, he got run over a few years ago and had to shoot one off a client. Moral is it’s a messy situation and not what most would figure, extremely rapid, adrenaline spikes with a true primal fear, and the best and worst can make the same mistakes when that happens.
Probably a sound plan, I’m a glutton for punishment however.
- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
Level III body armour -
Conditioned armor protects against
8.0 g (123 gr) 7.62×39mm (the ubiquitous AK-47 round) FMJ at a velocity of 738 m/s (2,421 ft/s.
9.6 g (148 gr) 7.62×51mm NATO M80 ball bullets at a velocity of 847 m/s ± 9.1 m/s (2780 ft/s ± 30 ft/s).
19.7 g (305 gr) .45-70 solid copper bullets at velocity of 610 m/s (2000 ft/s)
http://www.tote.com.au/threatlevel.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
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- Location
- NFA country
Against a 'grizzly guide' league rifle in 338 Win, 375 H&H, 416 Rem or a 458 Winchester?
That would be some flak jacket.
- Location
- NFA country
As if anybody really gives a f*** about your ignore list.
People do make lots of assumptions when scenarios like these arise. The widow (and children, if any) have every right to bring an action to recover their losses in a case of negligence. Perhaps the dead client was the primary bread winner of the family. Would we rather that the state pick up the tab? The question to be determined is whether there was any negligence. And that is for the law to decide. As Superbrad stated, perhaps the client ran into the line of fire. Or maybe the guide took chances he ought not to have. Certainly the true facts aren't going to be hashed out here on CGN.
- Location
- NFA country
If I go grizzly bear hunting I hope my guide is big, fat and out of shape with a beer belly down to the ground.
As long as I can outrun him (the guide) I should be OK.
As long as I can outrun him (the guide) I should be OK.
- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
Level III body armour should be effective to protect the torso. A peripheral hit is less likely to be fatal. Better to be alive even with a missing limb or reconstructed face.
- Location
- NFA country
Level III body armour should be effective to protect the torso. A peripheral hit is less likely to be fatal. Better to be alive even with a missing limb or reconstructed face.
Of all the options discussed in the thread I think I will go with the fat guide.
Level III body armour should be effective to protect the torso. A peripheral hit is less likely to be fatal. Better to be alive even with a missing limb or reconstructed face.
If I recall form my ex-son in law's, it does not protect the back, which is where this guy was most likely shot. If he was shot in the front of the body, it should have triggered a pretty serious investigation. Kinda like a bullet hole in the back being ruled a suicide.
fingers284
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Alberta Cowboy Ranges
Level III body armour should be effective to protect the torso. A peripheral hit is less likely to be fatal. Better to be alive even with a missing limb or reconstructed face.
I do know a dude that was shot twice with a Garand at 30 ft in a tactical house entry, the first shot went thru his bicep, didn't hit any bone but removed a sizable chunk of meat and equally sizable scar. The second round hit his vest just below the right nipple. His description to me " I was bowling pinned back thru the front door and down the sidewalk to the curb before I stopped rolling". He spent two weeks in the hospital and it did leave a permanent mark on his chest but he did live thru it with no apparent side effects that I could see (and I worked with him for 5 yrs).
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
^^^
And lived to tell the tale all because he was wearing his PPE.
So in this wounded Grizzly to be dispatched scenario they would have gone back at first light to where it was shot to pick up the blood trail again and once found they would have followed it. If the wounded Grizzly went up slope, I would expect it to have made a hook pattern going up slope then back down as I have seen.
Better to hear it first then be ready to fire when spotted. Better to be highly proficient at off-hand shooting through lots of practice because you can't be relying on your shooting sticks. Better not to be in single file approaching the wounded Grizzly because the individuals in front are at risk of getting in the way.
And lived to tell the tale all because he was wearing his PPE.
So in this wounded Grizzly to be dispatched scenario they would have gone back at first light to where it was shot to pick up the blood trail again and once found they would have followed it. If the wounded Grizzly went up slope, I would expect it to have made a hook pattern going up slope then back down as I have seen.
Better to hear it first then be ready to fire when spotted. Better to be highly proficient at off-hand shooting through lots of practice because you can't be relying on your shooting sticks. Better not to be in single file approaching the wounded Grizzly because the individuals in front are at risk of getting in the way.
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Not sure how much protection any vest would provide at close quarters with a large rifle.
Story does not say where client was hit - a upper leg hit would bleed out PDQ from a hunting round at that and range/velocity.
Perhaps bear was on the client when shot? Could easy be a lower torso shot - again - massive wound channel.
Instead of vests, listen to and heed the Guides advice....(which in this case was "do not approach")
Story does not say where client was hit - a upper leg hit would bleed out PDQ from a hunting round at that and range/velocity.
Perhaps bear was on the client when shot? Could easy be a lower torso shot - again - massive wound channel.
Instead of vests, listen to and heed the Guides advice....(which in this case was "do not approach")
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
Best to go get the dogs to manage the risks in dispatching a wounded Bear. KBD's instinctively work as a team to find the Bear (likely to be deep in the thickets) then distract it while the hunter takes aim. Unfortunately 1 was fatally injured in this hunt -
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