Grizzly Rifle
- Thread starter bearhunter79
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I bet a high speed 40+ caliber would. Seen it many times on big ungulates. Roll the bones!
I've shot quite a few animals through the lungs and watched clients shoot many more... a DRT on a big game animal from a lung shot is a rarity... even the lowly whitetail.
soon every one will be hunting deer and bear with 50 bmg haahaa
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No... but I have seen .35 Whelen with 250's, 9.3X62 and 9.3X74 with 286 SP's, .375 H&H with 275 and 300's all used on deer and 200 pound black bear's... compartitively a much bigger payload applied by body weight... none of them "dropped and stopped" on broadside lung shots... not without a major bone or CNS strike.
A bear whether grizz, polar or black won't be drt without a CNS hit in my experience (which is limited to blacks, but the physiology is the same more or less).... certainly not with a double lung and even a heart shot.....
They are very soft and have very low blood pressure compared to other animals....
The first bear I ever shot, I made a solid double lung shot, then watched a confused bear run in circles around the kill site and dissapear into the woods and emit a death moan about 5 minutes later..... put some serious fear into me at the time....
They are very soft and have very low blood pressure compared to other animals....
The first bear I ever shot, I made a solid double lung shot, then watched a confused bear run in circles around the kill site and dissapear into the woods and emit a death moan about 5 minutes later..... put some serious fear into me at the time....
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Chemainus B.C.
First black bear weighed appr 250lbs that I had charge me I shot @ 8 yards thru the right front chest exiting behind the left front leg no major bones or central nervous system were hit shot it with a 180gr bullet @ 3060fps out of my old 308 Norma mag.
I drove that bears nose into the ground it somersaulted landing on its back with its hind feet stopped about 3 yards from me it started to try and crawl away from me key word is try it could barely move shot it again to finish it off.
I'm going with the shock/wound cavity that must have occurred at such an impact velocity but is this DRT yes and no it would have probably made it 10 feet max if I hadn't shot it again.
Bullet construction is once again super important example while I was researching bullet construction/loads for my 44mag/45 Colt/454 Casull remote area defence handguns I discovered that a solid even with a wide meplat would just zip thru a black bear resulting in it running a long way before dying whereas a properly constructed Jacketed hollow point would result in the bears spinning/biting at the hit giving a fellow a chance to hit it again they definitely do not run as far before dying.
I loaded solid hard cast in grizzly country and jhp's when I was in black bear country.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
Only folks that don't mind wasting meat that is. Oy vey, what a mess. For pest critters at distance though, the .50 Browning is a beauty.
Species8472
CGN Regular
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- Nipissing Township + 82a
^^^This. Out of the 60+ big game animals I have shot (deer, bear, moose, feral hogs mostly - no griz though) most were double lung or heart shots and only one was a true bang flop. That one was an 8 pt whitetail that was hit textbook double lung with a 150 grain partition fired from a .270 at 55 yards. It never took a step just tipped over onto its side as soon as it was hit. Same shot on numerous other animals resulted in recoveries of 3 to 100 yards - no explaining it biologically. I think animals are like people and just like people you have some tough SOBs that have a crazy will to live and others that give up at the first sign of trouble and the remainder that are somewhere in between.
Some rather interesting observations about bullet diameter and shock transmission by Lt. Col. Arthur Alphin (A-Square Co. founder). High speed 40+ calibers rule
You quote alot of books...
A .375 H&H on a 100 pound doe WT broadside through the lungs (which I have witnessed), did not cause a DRT...
With a max load that is considerably more shock by body weight than the .416 with 350's on an 800 pound grizzly... your point is not well made.
My posted suggestion for a grizzly rifle is not based on my experience on large ungulates. It is based on my experience using the 9.3X62 on big bears over the past thirty-plus years.
Ted
Roger that. Pretty sure everyone does.
There is no doubt you have confidence in your 416. We all understand that. It is certainly adequate for any big game in North America.
Report back to us after you shoot a few "big Griz" in the lungs at 200.
Best,
Ted
Slamffire, I am really interested in this.
The reason I ask is I know a guy who has hunted up here with a 458 Win, and he uses the softest bullet he can find, the Hornady 405 gr. Of course that bullet will have shed a lot of velocity by the time it gets to 200.
Ted
With apologies to the OP for the serious derail of the original question posed to this thread.
The reason I ask is I know a guy who has hunted up here with a 458 Win, and he uses the softest bullet he can find, the Hornady 405 gr. Of course that bullet will have shed a lot of velocity by the time it gets to 200.
Ted
With apologies to the OP for the serious derail of the original question posed to this thread.
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