Grizzly shooting causes outrage

[stubblejumper]

Indeed, however this article does not mention hunting

The only legal way for a person other than a government official such as a wildlife officer police officer etc,to kill a grizzly bear in Alberta other than in self defense is under the guise of subsistence hunting.

We also know:

After bear No. 102 was shot Saturday, he travelled another kilometre. He was still alive Sunday afternoon when the man who shot the animal, along with friends, tracked the bear on foot and destroyed him.

Tracking an animal for the purpose of killing that animal is by definition, hunting that animal.

That statement also indicates that the bear was not killed cleanly or humanely.And by wounding the grizzly,the person doing the shooting created even more danger for the community.

 

[guido]

I think if there was a bear in my backyard he just might get a piece of lead. And what happened to sealhunter?

 

[sheephunter]

Do most agree because nobody knows the real answer and this is what we have been told through the media, or is this # a fact?

According to the grizzly recovery team....our only source of any kind of semi-accurate census, the population is WAY lower than 1,000. I think 1,000 is a bit optimistic but there's definitely more than the quoted 300-350. So ya, it's likely as close a fact as you are going to get.

 

[blargon]

I hope you mean a Native's Tag not a "native tag" as would suggest a tag to hunt a native, like a deer tag or moose tag, native tag

An absolutely disgusting comment if it is meant in the latter, but the benefit of the doubt has me thinking that you meant, a native's tag (like a status card) not a deer tag..

Some people look good in pink.

 

[chopper 1]

It is totally disgusting that it is legal for natives to hunt a supposedly endangered species.

I agree - they should be given the right to hunt illegal 3rd world immigrants and fiberal politicians instead --

maybe granola munchers also ?

how bout extremist conservasionists ?

naw - maybe just anti gunners

oh heck - hunt em all , let god sort em out --

 

[Covey Ridge]

Tracking an animal for the purpose of killing that animal is by definition, hunting that animal.

That statement also indicates that the bear was not killed cleanly or humanely.And by wounding the grizzly,the person doing the shooting created even more danger for the community.

[/QUOTE]

That may be the definition of hunting, but it also was the ethical thing to do after the bear was shot and wounded. Better to finish the job, rather than leave an injured bear on the loose. I can not believe the hypocrisy of some of the other statements. Not sustenance hunting because the bear's meat was not edible because it had previously been tranquilized? Sport hunters are allowed to leave the meat of a bear, but are required to salvage the pelt or hide. Who eats grizzly bear anyway? The shooter salvaged the hide. Not a clean kill or not humanly killed? #### happens and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I can not count how many times I have seen or heard non native hunters who have not cleanly killed animals and some who have not bothered to track and finish the job. So far I have not heard or read anything to indicate that this incident had anything to do with hunting.

 

[gitrdun]

OK, so to clarify my comments and to make damned sure that you all understand where I stand> I do not believe that natives should have any different rights then we caucasians or slimy white men have. In fact if you really want to know where I stand in these matters, then you'd probably have to speak with me on a personal basis.

 

[wobber]

Some people look good in pink.

Glad to see you support native tags

 

[sheephunter]

So far I have not heard or read anything to indicate that this incident had anything to do with hunting.

It better have had to do with hunting or he's going to jail......definitely wasn't self-defence. No other legal way for him to shoot a grizz that I know of.

 

[stubblejumper]

That may be the definition of hunting, but it also was the ethical thing to do after the bear was shot and wounded. Better to finish the job, rather than leave an injured bear on the loose.

Even more ethical would have been not to wound the bear in the first place.If it wasn't a threat why risk a shot at 4am which is two hours before sunrise at this time of year?

Who eats grizzly bear anyway?

People that kill the grizzly bear for subsistence?

Not a clean kill or not humanly killed? s**t happens and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I for one do not shoot at game two hours before sunrise.The legal hours for sport hunting exist for a reason.

So far I have not heard or read anything to indicate that this incident had anything to do with hunting.

Whether or not it was hunting,killing the bear was only legal because of subsistence hunting rights.If he wasn't hunting for subsistence in accordance with his treaty rights,and it wasn't self defense(which was not mentioned)the bear was killed illegally.

 

[Demonical]

Deleted for insults and inappropriate language.

 

[Camp Cook]

Here is what is says about Aboriginal hunting rights in BC...

ABORIGINAL HUNTING

The first priority of the Ministry of Environment is to ensure the long-term conservation of wildlife populations and their habitats. The Ministry also recognizes that Indian people have aboriginal rights to harvest wildlife for sustenance (food, social and ceremonial purposes) in their traditional areas.

Such uses of wildlife must be sustainable, and harvesting methods must not
jeopardize safety or the use and enjoyment of property. Any hunting of wildlife species for sale or barter, in whole or in part, is not legal, except as authorized by regulation or where there is a demonstrated aboriginal or treaty right to do so.

There is more but irrelivant to this discussion here is what it says about Metis hunters...

Métis Hunters

A reminder that all Métis individuals intending to hunt in the upcoming season are required, under the Wildlife Act, to hold a valid hunting licence and comply with all appropriate hunting regulations.This includes obtaining appropriate species licences and complying with Limited Entry Hunting Regulations.


Now with this all said even in BC if the grizzly was considered endangered it would be illegal to shoot the grizzly if you are a native unless it was in a defense situation.

 

[Covey Ridge]

It better have had to do with hunting or he's going to jail......definitely wasn't self-defence. No other legal way for him to shoot a grizz that I know of.

It better have? Just deal with fact. Just because you do not know of it does not mean there is no other legal way.

 

[Covey Ridge]

People that kill the grizzly bear for subsistence?

It is obvious by the article that the defintion of subsistence is in question.

I for one do not shoot at game two hours before sunrise.The legal hours for sport hunting exist for a reason.

again! this has nothing to do with sport hunting.

Whether or not it was hunting,killing the bear was only legal because of subsistence hunting rights.If he wasn't hunting for subsistence in accordance with his treaty rights,and it wasn't self defense(which was not mentioned)the bear was killed illegally

Alberta Parks heritage protection specialist Melanie Percy said "Under native treaty rights, the man who shot the bear had every legal right to do so, "

It seems that the only official person quoted in the article claims that the shooter had every legal right.

 

[stubblejumper]

Just because you do not know of it does not mean there is no other legal way.

So go ahead and tell us about the other legal ways for a person that is not a Fish & wildlife officer or police officer to legally kill a grizzly in Alberta.

 

[lone-wolf]

Same as natives getting free boats and lobster fishing gear on the east coast.

The story itself is irrelevant, people are upset of being subject to different laws then others. Stories like this just pour salt on the wound, and remind people that not everyone is equal.

So go ahead and tell us about the other legal ways for a person that is not a Fish & wildlife officer or police officer to legally kill a grizzly in Alberta.

Have your great grandfather born on a different continent, apparently.

 

[sheephunter]

It better have? Just deal with fact. Just because you do not know of it does not mean there is no other legal way.

I might know a bit more fact than you think......if it wasn't killed as a subsistence kill, it was illegal....it wasn't self defence..that is fact. But please inform me if you know of another way.

 

[guido]

I see someone started this on A.O. also. It's pretty much going the same way as this one. If anyone cares to read it.
Now, I don't care one way or the other about native hunting rights. It's been this way for over a hundred years and I don't know if they have had any effect on game.
But, I recall a few months back, a gent shot a bear. Arguably in self defense. He got charged just like most on here want to see done to this native fellow. The outcome I don't know, but someone started a collection over on A.O. for this fellow to fight the charges. Several members of that site donated towards his fight. Quite a different attitude to a similar situation. Would it be too much of a coincidence that this fellow was quite a bit lighter skin tone then a native American?

 

[stubblejumper]

again! this has nothing to do with sport hunting.

But it does have to do with taking a shot two hours before sunrise.At that time there is not sufficient light to be sure of a good shot on the animal.And obviously,the shot was not a good one.

Alberta Parks heritage protection specialist Melanie Percy said "Under native treaty rights, the man who shot the bear had every legal right to do so, "

Those treaty rights provide subsistence hunting rights for treaty natives.So it does all come down to subsistence hunting,whether you are capable of understanding that or not.

 

[Covey Ridge]

So go ahead and tell us about the other legal ways for a person that is not a Fish & wildlife officer or police officer to legally kill a grizzly in Alberta.

So now you are inviting speculation be added to the little facts that the article has? You really are a stubblejumper