Grizzly shooting causes outrage
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This story makes me mad. Not so much for the guy shooting the grizzly (if indeed it was a threat to human life), or the whole native rights thing. My problem is with the situational stance that the government takes on issues like this. Stick to one story will you?
My situation about eight years ago:
We lived in the bush and we were on the bear trail to the local dump, so the black bears used to cut across our property quite close to the house. I had four small children and two dogs who had "their operational turf" crossed by the bears. At that moment in time I did not have a firearms license, any tags (because I didn't have the license of course), but I did have a 12 gauge that a friendly neighbour lent me after hearing about the bears and a box of 000 and a box of slugs.
I made the mistake of calling the MNR to ask what I was allowed to do in this situation, if the bear came up on my deck and was trying to break into my house and/or attack one of my kids. I was told:
"You cannot shoot the bear, you do not have a PAL/POL or a tag."
Me: "So if I have a bear attacking my kid, what do you suggest that I do?"
"Call someone who has a valid PAL/POL and a current bear tag"
Me: "...and if it attacks out of season?"
"You can't shoot it."
CLICK.
Anyway, this is one of the examples of the mixed standards that the government has that really pi$$ me off.
I now have all of the licenses and tags I need.
My situation about eight years ago:
We lived in the bush and we were on the bear trail to the local dump, so the black bears used to cut across our property quite close to the house. I had four small children and two dogs who had "their operational turf" crossed by the bears. At that moment in time I did not have a firearms license, any tags (because I didn't have the license of course), but I did have a 12 gauge that a friendly neighbour lent me after hearing about the bears and a box of 000 and a box of slugs.
I made the mistake of calling the MNR to ask what I was allowed to do in this situation, if the bear came up on my deck and was trying to break into my house and/or attack one of my kids. I was told:
"You cannot shoot the bear, you do not have a PAL/POL or a tag."
Me: "So if I have a bear attacking my kid, what do you suggest that I do?"
"Call someone who has a valid PAL/POL and a current bear tag"
Me: "...and if it attacks out of season?"
"You can't shoot it."
CLICK.
Anyway, this is one of the examples of the mixed standards that the government has that really pi$$ me off.
I now have all of the licenses and tags I need.
IIRC, there was an event in Alberta where a camper shot a bear to protect his son, and had to justify his actions as self defense.
This bear, sporting a collar and an ear tag, makes a dog bark, and gets shot? The natives then chase the wounded bear (how far was the original shot?), kill it, and skin it out, taking only the hide.
IF it was shot for sustenance, the entire bear should have been hauled out. If it was shot in self defense, the animal is forfeit to the crown, and shouldn't have been adulterated (skinned out) after it was killed.
Worthless ####ing poacher, no more, no less.
This bear, sporting a collar and an ear tag, makes a dog bark, and gets shot? The natives then chase the wounded bear (how far was the original shot?), kill it, and skin it out, taking only the hide.
IF it was shot for sustenance, the entire bear should have been hauled out. If it was shot in self defense, the animal is forfeit to the crown, and shouldn't have been adulterated (skinned out) after it was killed.
Worthless ####ing poacher, no more, no less.
In order to have had a way of life taken away from you,you would have had to actually live that way of life in the first place.You would have to be over 100 years old to have had lived the natives way of life previous to the treaties.Then again.I don't hear many natives complaining about living in a house with running water and central heat instead of living in a tent with no floor,and having to go outside to answer the call of nature during the cold dark winter nights.
Old Henry took up a land grant on the Niagara peninsula in 1786. I am the seventh generation and I always list my self as a native. Actually, in the surveys I am a native one legged french speaking lesbian.
While I do understand peoples comments, I would think some commom sense would prevail. If a bear was beating down my door and you are not in an area with 'quick' emergency response times (ie not in a town or city) then you can take action you deem necessary to prevent the significant loss of property or any threat to life.
I highly doubt a crown prosecutor would lay any charges if it was a legitimate case of self defence against an aggressive predator.
That being said, the FA does allow for firearms "at the ready" for just such a case, it does not specify what type of animal predator, just the general rules of engagement for defense from it.
I highly doubt a crown prosecutor would lay any charges if it was a legitimate case of self defence against an aggressive predator.
That being said, the FA does allow for firearms "at the ready" for just such a case, it does not specify what type of animal predator, just the general rules of engagement for defense from it.
Four years ago I had a similar situation and the MNR response was, "If the animal is presenting a threat to you or your property you may respond by whatever means at your disposal. But if you shoot a bear you must contact us and let us know."
Even if I'd received the same advice as Glyn I would have ignored it. It is preferable to pay a lawyer to fight your case than to pay the undertaker to bury a member of your family. Solve the tactical problem first. Address the legal problems later.
I believe in traditional hunting rights. Traditional.
If natives want to hunt, they can. At all times. With traditional weapons.
I've seen the bow and arrow at the Provincial Museum. What does it have, maybe a 7lb pull???? That thing wouldn't puncture a moose hide if you shot it at 5ft.
A spear? Probably a better choice but I'm gonna doubt a quick kill.
I'm thinking that traditional should mean just that.
I don't believe this "history" lessons we get where the natives used bows, like the one I saw, to kill buffalo and moose.......I will bet their diet consisted of a lot of gophers and birds and fish instead.
Rifles, quads and trucks and scopes and freezer trucks aren't really "traditional" hunting methods are they?????
A Canada with different laws and rules for people, depending on your race, is a Canada that will fail. If a white man would have shot the grizzly, imagine what would happen.
Just my 2 cents, but I think it makes sense.
If natives want to hunt, they can. At all times. With traditional weapons.
I've seen the bow and arrow at the Provincial Museum. What does it have, maybe a 7lb pull???? That thing wouldn't puncture a moose hide if you shot it at 5ft.
A spear? Probably a better choice but I'm gonna doubt a quick kill.
I'm thinking that traditional should mean just that.
I don't believe this "history" lessons we get where the natives used bows, like the one I saw, to kill buffalo and moose.......I will bet their diet consisted of a lot of gophers and birds and fish instead.
Rifles, quads and trucks and scopes and freezer trucks aren't really "traditional" hunting methods are they?????
A Canada with different laws and rules for people, depending on your race, is a Canada that will fail. If a white man would have shot the grizzly, imagine what would happen.
Just my 2 cents, but I think it makes sense.
I think the pc crowd like to believe that the bow and arrow represent a purer form of hunting based on their misconceptions of how effect those old bows were. They like to forget that a stampede over a steep hill was also a traditional hunting method.
you wouldn't be saying that if your way of life was taken from you
Bwahahahahahahahaha. How many generations ago was that again?
I frankly SUPPORT substinance hunting, not only for natives, but for anyone that needs to feed their family. HOWEVER, that hunting needs to be done in a responsible manner so the resource is not squandered.
Cypress Hills Provincial Park was victim to a PowWow in the late '70s. The natives KILLED more elk than were thought to exist within the PARK. They took the hind quarters and left the rest to rot. Is this the "Traditional Way"? If it is, it should be extinct
On the Saskatchewan Manitoba border, it's common to see natives shoot a pregnant moose and ONLY harvest the fetus.
Do you now understand WHY real hunters have a proleblem with supposed "sustanance" hunting that is being blatantly abused by SOME natives?
What hole have you been hiding in for your entire life.......
I am willing to bet that the "Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump" theory happened maybe once...........and I will bet that more buffalo rotted in the sun after that event than were ever skinned.
But then I am a bit cynical and skeptic.
I don't put a lot of faith in much of the "historical facts" as it involves our native population.
I tend to believe the totem poles were made with hatchets made in England too...................
