I am curious about guides especially.
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I am curious about guides especially.
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Sure, pass them on. See if they have an issue with hunters or guides dispatching wounded game. Remember to clarify that the original person pulling the trigger has a legal tag, and the guide or "backup" hunter is not keeping the animal, etc.
Who is this person?
I am sure "selling" a tag in that fashion woudl be considered illegal. Unfortunatley, unless a CO witnessed the shooting, it woudl be almost impossible to prove, especially if the hide stays with the tag holder. But that wasn't what I was doing, and it's not what hunting guides do.
What I said was that there are some things that might be be interpreted as illegal, but that no CO woudl give you a ticket for. Like the example I gave of scouting for sheep, during a closed season.
"hunt" includes shooting at, attracting, searching for, chasing, pursuing, following after or on the trail of, stalking or lying in wait for wildlife, or attempting to do any of those things, whether or not the wildlife is then or subsequently wounded, killed or captured,
(a) with intention to capture the wildlife, or
(b) while in possession of a firearm or other weapon
I admit that I looked at sheep through my binoculars, and I had a rifle in my truck, since it was coyote season. Am I breaking the law?
Sure, pass them on. See if they have an issue with hunters or guides dispatching wounded game. Remember to clarify that the original person pulling the trigger has a legal tag, and the guide or "backup" hunter is not keeping the animal, etc.
Who is this person?
I am sure "selling" a tag in that fashion woudl be considered illegal. Unfortunatley, unless a CO witnessed the shooting, it woudl be almost impossible to prove, especially if the hide stays with the tag holder. But that wasn't what I was doing, and it's not what hunting guides do.
What I said was that there are some things that might be be interpreted as illegal, but that no CO woudl give you a ticket for. Like the example I gave of scouting for sheep, during a closed season.
"hunt" includes shooting at, attracting, searching for, chasing, pursuing, following after or on the trail of, stalking or lying in wait for wildlife, or attempting to do any of those things, whether or not the wildlife is then or subsequently wounded, killed or captured,
(a) with intention to capture the wildlife, or
(b) while in possession of a firearm or other weapon
I admit that I looked at sheep through my binoculars, and I had a rifle in my truck, since it was coyote season. Am I breaking the law?
Well we'll see what he says. I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to shoot your animal for you, unless there's a danger. Do some? Probably. Not supposed to bait for bear either in bc, but it happens. Still not legal tho and they can get in a world of hurt for it if they do.
Fair enough. I'll ask them if it's ok for a person to take a shot at a running animal which another licensed and tagged hunter has fired on without themselves having a tag. If you'd like me to use your case as a specific example i'll pass that info along as well. I should warn you tho, I think you're going to find they don't really care for the idea. If they decide to make an issue out of it, your buddy will lose his bear hide, so before i pass your name along, are you SURE it's perfectly legal and nobody's going to be upset about it?
OUtfitters and CO's take a very dim view of a guide that shoots a clients animal because the client missed/is too tired to climb the hill/can't get out of bed/ etc.
However, putting a wounded animal down if the client cannot finsih the job is the right thing to do, especially if that wounded animal could pose a danger to others.
Well the danger to others thing was what got them their guns back.
And i'd tend to agree that there is nothing 'morally' wrong with actually putting a finishing shot into an animal to end its suffering and reducing the likelyhood of losing the animal because it managed to get away before it died. But the potential for abuse is huge, which is why the law is there apperently. It is illegal. If any guide did it, i'd strongly recommend they keep that in the field and not talk about it TOO much, especially not on the net.
I'd prefer to keep my friends out of anything that is my responsability.
Although, Who knows how much of the internet is BS?
Wow, I ask a little question and my thread blows up. That sucks, I was all excited here logging in today to see if anyone in this (what I used to think was a great/mature) comunity of hunters, should have any advise for me on exactly that question. Basically, I dont want to drop 20K on a Grizzly hunt, but have 0 experience. How do I convince someone with experience to come with me and show me the ropes. Or how do I tag along with a group hunt? And just because this thread got out of hand, and don't like starting fights, I am thinking about having it locked by asking another edgy question in it....mu hahahaha!! PS. I reposted the griz question in a fresh thread.
Lots of guys may well just join you for the sheer enjoyment of the hunt. You just can't offer them ANY form of compensation at all (that makes it guiding). Hell, if i knew more about hunting grizzes i'd probably go with you just for the fun of it, I've taken guys on their first hunts more than once for animals i'm more familiar with. i'm sure a lot of other guys would too. Happens all the time.
Yes, and thanks for that
much better. Just remember, it's illegal to offer ANY form of compensation at all. You're just as likely to get a wiley co calling to 'offering to help' as a hunter. Real hunters would hunt just for the hunt.My buddy with the tag put a 160gr X bullet through both shoulders, leaving a exit wound I could fit 2 fingers in to . I'm pretty sure it was killed by that.
IF you shot it again after that, they may not agree. I know people who've been fined over the 'last shot' rule and it stuck (Stupid thing was they had a tag, but like you they thought that it was 'whatever shot seemed to do the deed', not who shot last so they got busted for cutting the wrong tag).
I imagine they argue something like 'if it was dead, it wouldn't have needed another shot' or the like.
Just to add another twist to this subject. In Yukon for Bison hunting it is encouraged by the co's to have a backup hunter. The backup hunter does NOT need a tag and is allowed to shoot after the person with the tag has made his first shot. As I understand this it is for Bison ONLY. Smokey
