Group of enfields

Someone told me only longbranch used the grooved handgaurd. I don't see longbranch stamped in the receiver anywhere unless it is covered with suncorite.

All the manufacturers used grooved handguards at one point or another. It came down to what the next basket held in terms of handguard design. That was much the same for various other parts, as they became available. This was due to changes in the allowed variation from the "master" rifle (Mk1,Mk2,Mk3,MK4 rear sight for example), and due to manufacturing ease and time.

As for the maker, here is a quote from Ian Skennerton's website. Bold is me
No.4 and No.5 rifle serial numbers can readily identify manufacturers. British No.4 rifles have five numbers, usually after one or two letter prefixes. The same letter prefix(es) were used by Maltby, Fazakerley & BSA Shirley, A to Z then AA, AB to AZ, then BA to BZ, CA to CZ &c. Maltby rifle serial numbers commence with a number '1', Fazakerley with a '2' and Shirley with a '3', e.g. 1###x for Maltby, 2###x for Fazakerley and for Shirley, 3###x, after the letter prefix. Late Shirley numbers then supposedly ran A4000 to A7999 and with PS prefixes at the very end of production. Post-war Fazakerley No.4 rifles had PF letter prefixes. The only exception to the 5-number sequence for No.4 rifles was the initial BSA Shirley production which ran from 0001 to 9999 then went with A to Z prefixes (A0001 to A9999 to the Z prefix) and some early dual letter prefixes (e.g. AT 0303), but then went over to A30001, &c. So early M47C No.4 rifle numbers could be confused with the Jungle carbine in having four rather than five numbers.
Long Branch (Canada) serial numbers incorporate an 'L' in the serial number while US Savage numbers include an 'C' in a similar relative position amongst the numbers. Both of these No.4 rifle series commenced with 0L1 and 0C1 respectively

So with yours being a '41, that is probably why there is only a single letter prefix. (Production of No4's only began in '41)
 
Someone asked to see some photos of ammo boxes and ammo earlier in the thread. Here's a 2 crates I got my hands on last year that was in a private collection since the mid 1970's. One unopened crate, one opened as well as some loose sealed boxes, bandoliers and loaded stripper clips. Before anybody asks, it isn't for sale! :)
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Nice ammo - I know an old guy locally who has a "few" crates of Dominion, but he keeps them for his Bren, along with the new barrels and crate of new mags. (Some people and their 12.2 licenses). When the SHTF, he's not bugging out - and no one's going to be bugging in, if you know what I mean.
 
Someone asked to see some photos of ammo boxes and ammo earlier in the thread. Here's a 2 crates I got my hands on last year that was in a private collection since the mid 1970's. One unopened crate, one opened as well as some loose sealed boxes, bandoliers and loaded stripper clips. Before anybody asks, it isn't for sale! :)
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Thanks for posting those pictures. You are fortunate to have the ammo and I am green with envy!!
I have two of the boxes with web handles in the background of the first picture. The one on the left. Can you tell me anything about them?
 
The Austrailians were still producing rifles with the volley sights after the Brits changed to the III* without the volleys and mag cutoff. I'm not 100 percent sure how long they kept installing them but my 1916 Lithgow has the forward dial for volley sights. Full on III* production didn't start at Lithgow until 1918 or 1919 IIRC.

Lithgow made their SMLE rifles with the long range volley sights and mag cut off up until 1926 when they then switched over to the III* production.
 
Lithgow made their SMLE rifles with the long range volley sights and mag cut off up until 1926 when they then switched over to the III* production.

Thanks for that, been reading a lot of dates on this stuff lately, hard to keep it all straight. I knew it was after the war at any rate. I spent some time trying to figure out just how original mine is.
BTW, if anyone knows where I can find the forward pointer for the volley at a reasonable cost......need the screw and washer as well. :)
 
Thanks for that, been reading a lot of dates on this stuff lately, hard to keep it all straight. I knew it was after the war at any rate. I spent some time trying to figure out just how original mine is.
BTW, if anyone knows where I can find the forward pointer for the volley at a reasonable cost......need the screw and washer as well. :)

I think Numrich has them, if not them there are a couple of places in the UK and Australia that usually have them.
 
It may have been re-stocked at some point, check out this pdf from Lithgow - www.[B]lithgows[/B]afmuseum.org.au/factsheets/fs001_smle_markings.pdf

I'm pretty sure the stock is original. I also don't have the magazine cot off. I found this little bit of info on the net.

Would a 1916 Lithgow be a MkIII or a MkIII*?


A MkIII.
Lithgow produced the MkIII up to and including 1918, volley sights were gone by late 1916 (maybe early 1917) and the windage rear sight was phased out during this time.
 
Lithgow production.
1913-late 1916 MkIII with Volleys
1916-1918 MkIII no Volleys, windage rear sight gradually omitted
1918 MkIII* with cutoff slot
1918-1922 MkIII* no slot
1922-1923 MkIII* with cutoff slot
1924-late 1941 MkIII with cutoff.
1941 to end of production MkIII* no slot.
 
Lithgow production.
1913-late 1916 MkIII with Volleys
1916-1918 MkIII no Volleys, windage rear sight gradually omitted
1918 MkIII* with cutoff slot
1918-1922 MkIII* no slot
1922-1923 MkIII* with cutoff slot
1924-late 1941 MkIII with cutoff.
1941 to end of production MkIII* no slot.

There seems to be no reliable source on Lithgow SMLE manufactured versions, were do you get your production version info from?, no saying it is wrong, I was quoting the Lithgow museum.

The info I got form the Lithgow Museum web site fact sheet states that Magazine cut-off; Long range volley sights; Windage adjustment on rear sight; Butt disk were being made up til 1926 as per this pdf link -

http://www.lithgowsafmuseum.org.au/factsheets/fs001_smle_markings.pdf

They also state that Mk. III* production only after 1926. I do know that they made both MkIII and MkIII* during WWI.

I wonder why the Museum states that they made some rifles with volley sights and mag cut off up till 1926?
 
There seems to be no reliable source on Lithgow SMLE manufactured versions, were do you get your production version info from?, no saying it is wrong, I was quoting the Lithgow museum.

The info I got form the Lithgow Museum web site fact sheet states that Magazine cut-off; Long range volley sights; Windage adjustment on rear sight; Butt disk were being made up til 1926 as per this pdf link -

http://www.lithgowsafmuseum.org.au/factsheets/fs001_smle_markings.pdf

They also state that Mk. III* production only after 1926. I do know that they made both MkIII and MkIII* during WWI.

I wonder why the Museum states that they made some rifles with volley sights and mag cut off up till 1926?
Cant open your link on my cell but can tell you with 100% confidence the info you have given is wrong.
I have been collecting SMLEs for 30 plus years with my interest going back further, i have been surfing the forums for many years, what i have seen of early Lithgows both in person & on the net of rifles that appear to in original condition follow the production i listed which is from Ian Skennertons books, they most certainly dont follow the production you listed.
I have a 1916 Lithgow MkIII with Volleysights, a 1917 lithgow MkIII no Volleysights, a 1918 Lithgow MkIII* with slot, no cutoff or Volleysights, 2X1935 Lithgow MkIII with cutoffs, a 1941 Lithgow MkIII with cutoff, the rest are all '40s production MkIII*s no slots, none of my rifles have been FTR'd, a couple have replacement barrels but the rest seem original.
I also have a 1915 Lithgow but as it's a rebuild it does not tell us anything about Lithgow production.
Will post pics of mine when i get home from work, hopefully HarryD will post here as he's the man when it comes to Lithgows.
 
I think Numrich has them, if not them there are a couple of places in the UK and Australia that usually have them.

Numerich is out of stock unfortunately. I've been looking at some UK sites as well as checking Aussie E bay every once in a while but no opportunities yet for anything less than an arm and a leg.
A question, does anyone know if the volley sight would've had the A star stamp on it? The yardage disk on my rifle is stamped, not sure if the arm should be too. Just want to know if it's one more thing I need to worry about finding original and correct.
Interesting about all the vague dates for all that was happening with the Lithgows during WWI. I have a couple 1917 sporters that are sans cutoff but still have the screw for it installed under the woodwork. Even if they were phasing it out at the time, I guess they were still thinking about it. Or maybe thinking they'd be retrofitting them back on after the war.
 
Here's my 1917 Lithgow MkIII with cutoff, no Volley sights.










A feature commonly found on original stocked 1917 Lithgows is the first cut for the rear Volley sight.
 
my Lee Enfield is sportized so no loss here

but what make me wonder is which manufacturing company make my Lee enfield

I took picture around and based what I read on guide, I guess it is Small Standard Arm?

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Here is SSA mark beside trigger guard
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my Lee Enfield is sportized so no loss here

but what make me wonder is which manufacturing company make my Lee enfield

I took picture around and based what I read on guide, I guess it is Small Standard Arm?

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Here is SSA mark beside trigger guard
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You're close, not Small Standard Arms but Standard Small Arms, You'll find the SSA marking rear of the receiver Lh side.
 
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