Grouping Frustration

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distance - 15 yards
at 15 yrds - I normally average 3-4inch groupings - with a winger or 2.
Using my S&W M&P40.

My friend handed me a Glock .45 - my groupings were dramatically smaller, and more circular. It was noticeably tighter on the paper.

its just frustrating to pick up a buddy's pistol - and fire it better than your own... (I shot 30rnds - just to be sure)

anyone have an explanation - other than "I suck" - lol
 
yeah - his Glock was far heavier.... I was purposely taking aimed shots - slow and steady, and I shot better with his...
 
I have a terrible groups with my M&P 9mm as well.. I haven't tried anything else, so I just thought that I'm a terrible shot with a pistol. Maybe, the M&Ps just suck?
 
I agree , not good groupings but not horrible though.... I use this target to kind of give me an idea of what im doing wrong...

w ww.reloadbench.com/pdf.html if you scroll down you can see the lefthand and righthand target , i think it works..
 
Glock.... it's calling your name.... :p

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NAA.
 
I've placed about 250 rounds through my M&P - I WAS happy with how "I" performed with it. Aimed shots were pretty consistent. Double Taps were about 3-5 inches apart etc.
But that darn Glock had groupings that the bottom of a pepsi can would cover up.
I think I need to practice more. I hope that when I take my BB course in October, that I learn more tips.
 
dieselkevb said:
I agree , not good groupings but not horrible though.... I use this target to kind of give me an idea of what im doing wrong...

w ww.reloadbench.com/pdf.html if you scroll down you can see the lefthand and righthand target , i think it works..
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nice..... printed a bunch - its too bad there isn't a "CORRECTION" for each hole you punch through... know what I mean...
 
TheManInBlack said:
Could be the weight is wrong for you.
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Pure BS. The weight of the pistol has nothing to do with your ability to shoot it. Sight alignment, trigger squeeze, follow through.

To the OP. What you probably experienced was a more natural grip than that on your M&P, or you were really on your game. The real question is what level of accuracy do you need? If you're placing them in the A-zone I wouldn't worry about it. Slow and steady makes for nice tight groups. I'd strive for decent groups(like 4-6") in less time.

TDC
 
Sight alignment, trigger squeeze, follow through.

I Agree ^^^

To the OP. What you probably experienced was a more natural grip than that on your M&P, or you were really on your game. The real question is what level of accuracy do you need? If you're placing them in the A-zone I wouldn't worry about it. Slow and steady makes for nice tight groups. I'd strive for decent groups(like 4-6") in less time.

TDC[/QUOTE]

Its not so much the need - its a wtf... - could have been the A-game, could have been my poor grip on the M&P - and the "its someone else's, so try harder" grip on the Glock...
 
TDC said:
Pure BS. The weight of the pistol has nothing to do with your ability to shoot it. Sight alignment, trigger squeeze, follow through.

To the OP. What you probably experienced was a more natural grip than that on your M&P, or you were really on your game. The real question is what level of accuracy do you need? If you're placing them in the A-zone I wouldn't worry about it. Slow and steady makes for nice tight groups. I'd strive for decent groups(like 4-6") in less time.

TDC
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I love people why claimn BS with nothing to prove it wrong. More weight to the pistol means he can steady it better. So if its more steady he's more on the mark HELLO
 
Dude, it's a GLOCK....of course you shoot better!!!! :p

I kid, I kid. I actually tend to shoot Norincos and other el-cheapo guns the best. I shot a buddy's cheap, bone stock Norc 1911 better than I can shoot his brothers $2k STI. Dunno why, don't care why, I still stick to my GLOCK.
 
After trying a whole bunch of 9mm's I picked the CZ Shadow because I shot it so much better than the others. Then one day I picked up some Glock or other and shot a really tight group right off the bat. It shocked me so much that I immediately went back to my Shadow and shot the same size group at the same range. At least I hadn't shot the Glock BETTER than my own gun.... :D

Up to that time I was sure that the Shadow was just a better gun in every way FOR ME (please note the emphasis there). But now I know that there's at least one Glock I can shoot just as well. But I'm just not partial to the feel of the grips so no Glock for me. I like the M&P but like you I've found that it just doesn't seem to group the shots as tight as some other guns.

By far the best for tight groupings that I've shot is a single stack STI Trojan in 9mm. A few of us have found that we can shoot it so much better that we can pretty much rip one jagged 8 round hole in the target at 12'ish yards.
 
TheManInBlack said:
I love people why claimn BS with nothing to prove it wrong. More weight to the pistol means he can steady it better. So if its more steady he's more on the mark HELLO
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You have nothing to prove you statement correct. I hate to sound like a snob but get some professional training. I've personally shot my pistols upside down, I've pulled the trigger with a pen, I've had a buddy align my pistol(and sights) from over my shoulder while another buddy pulled the trigger. All I did was hold the pistol. The rounds landed on target as desired. So tell me, was it the weight, the sight radius, the calibre, the fit, the trigger, the ammo, the heat, or my breakfast that accounted for such results? Its called mastering the fundamentals.

Sight Alignment

Trigger squeeze

Follow through.

These results aren't brand specific. I've shot lots of pistols and all with great success. Naturally the more you practice with one gun the better you will become with it. However, the fundamentals don't change and ones results shouldn't change either. As far as remaining on target or a "steady" position. How much time are you spending on sight alignment? Aligned sights are aligned sights. The vast majority of pistols being purchased and used are not olympic level performers, they're service pistols. Align the sights, squeeze the trigger and follow through. Repeat as necessary. Your body provides the stability, not the mass of the pistol.

TDC
 
BCRider said:
After trying a whole bunch of 9mm's I picked the CZ Shadow because I shot it so much better than the others. Then one day I picked up some Glock or other and shot a really tight group right off the bat. It shocked me so much that I immediately went back to my Shadow and shot the same size group at the same range. At least I hadn't shot the Glock BETTER than my own gun.... :D

Up to that time I was sure that the Shadow was just a better gun in every way FOR ME (please note the emphasis there). But now I know that there's at least one Glock I can shoot just as well. But I'm just not partial to the feel of the grips so no Glock for me. I like the M&P but like you I've found that it just doesn't seem to group the shots as tight as some other guns.

By far the best for tight groupings that I've shot is a single stack STI Trojan in 9mm. A few of us have found that we can shoot it so much better that we can pretty much rip one jagged 8 round hole in the target at 12'ish yards.[/QUOTE

I wish I was able to test out guns at our range ... would make purchesing a hell of alot better trying before buying !
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I agree with TDC...That being said I have been shooting bullseye with my Colt 1911 .45 well. I decided to drag my g22 out for a change and I sucked by my standards (which are high). I was about 2 inches low, center on the 6inch steel at 25m. After I almost punched myself in the nuts I remembered the Glock shoots at 6oclock and adjusted that for bullseye. I usually shoot IPSC style stuff and that is chalk and cheese from bullseye IMHO.

Dead on for the rest of the session.

Sight Alignment (and grip/stance)

Trigger squeeze

Follow through

and being familiar with the tool in question. Me clearly being the resident tool I clearly was not familiar as bullseye is a different game than A-Zone shots.

man I love shooting reactive steel!
 
dieselkevb said:
I wish I was able to test out guns at our range ... would make purchesing a hell of alot better trying before buying !
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Diesel, you should close the brackets on the last "[/quote" in your reply to close off my quote.

Hey, you're in Kelowna. Do a road trip down to the lower mainland. DVC in Port Coquitlam is where I got to shoot my variety of guns so this isn't all THAT far away. And if I know you're coming down and when and if it's practical to be there I'll bring along my Shadow for you to try as well. PM me if you get into planning a road trip of this sort. It would be a long day but no worse than when a few of us went up for the Kamloops gun show this spring. Get a couple of buds that want to try it as well and come on down. SHARE THE GAS! They are open on Saturday and Sunday until 5PM as well as weekdays until 10PM. Plan on about $150 to $200 for the day pass and ammo depending on how crazy you go with ammo. They don't mind you switching guns half way through a box of 50 so that'll help. Although to get a feel for them and because the magazines hold 10 it's worth doing three mags on each gun unless you can feel within a few rounds that a particular gun isn't your cup O' tea. And for heaven's sake, if you decide to come down to try them out bring a camera and a notebook and make lots of notes and pics along the way. By the end of the session your brain will be mush from the variety. And don't be afraid at the end of it to call back out the top two and shoot them again back to back just to get a direct comparison.
 
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