grouping size for hunting based on skill

I think a lot of people would be shocked to see how differently some rifles shoot off the bench on a nice late summer day compared to leaning against a tree for 3-4 hours in minus double digits.

I moved from Nova Scotia to Alberta a lifetime ago and brought with me several hunting rifles that were older, well looked after and above average accurate. I loved to shoot rifles back then, ammunition was cheap and I lived near a very nice range. I had shot a ton of deer back east but only a couple were beyond 100 yards. In Alberta I was humbled by making a few poor shots on deer under 200 yards.

I use to drive a freezer truck in those days and I got to thinking about cold barrel vs hot barrel . I tried many rifles frozen solid vs hot and first shot frozen was out to lunch on every rifle I tried except for my 760 which was just acceptable. It boiled down to pressure points and bedding.

I still have a bunch of rifles but when the weather turns foul I take a free floated rifle in a synthetic stock. It will put the first shot where aimed every time which is rarer than one might think.

One common theme at the range was "that was the fouling shot". Was it though? And how many "fouling shots" do you get in the bush while hunting?

Anyway, I don't shoot my main hunting rifle much at the range. I have a bunch I tinker with and like to shoot much more. My main rig is a 30-06 in a very light rifle and I have no interest in beating myself up with it. I keep one target separate down range and shoot the dreaded one shot group at that target a few times over the afternoon. I usually shoot 25 to 100 rounds out of other rifles but only 3 or 4 out of my hunting rig. A week before season I fire one 3 shot group at 100 yards and go hunting.

I have no interest in 10, 5 or even 3 shot groups with my hunting rifles. Light barrels in light rifles, I want the first shot exactly where I am aiming and second one within an inch, after that group size means nothing.
 
Yes temperature will affect POI, so will atmospheric pressure and altitude. Even the clothing you wear, light summer clothing vs heavy thick winter clothing.
That is why I sight in the rifle I will be using as close as possible to the expected temps on a trip. Usually I even with develop loads in winter for winter hunting and in the spring fall for that time of the year. Right now as I type this I’m at the range developing new loads for my 458 win mag. Beautiful day out!!
 
Too many hunters get fixated on developing or finding the best load for their rifle, which is done from the bench in most cases, and then fail to develop their personal skill set, by getting off the bench and utilizing field shooting positions and improvised rests.

A 1/2 moa rifle and load is of zero consequence if the shooter is only capable of 10 moa accuracy in the field.
 
Yes temperature will affect POI, so will atmospheric pressure and altitude. Even the clothing you wear, light summer clothing vs heavy thick winter clothing.
That is why I sight in the rifle I will be using as close as possible to the expected temps on a trip. Usually I even with develop loads in winter for winter hunting and in the spring fall for that time of the year. Right now as I type this I’m at the range developing new loads for my 458 win mag. Beautiful day out!!
This photo resembles a shooting range that I've viewed on YouTube many times. Are you the person who has the north61 You Tube channel?
 
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Practice how you hunt. Don’t practice off a bench if you’re not hunting off a bench. I like using a shooting stick or another rest.

Fence post helped me harvest my elk this fall. Used posts to dispatch gophers and coyotes lots before too.
 
IMO “minute of pie plate” is a big reason why so many deer get wounded and left in the bush because people think if they can hit a pie plate at the range they can surely hit a deers vitals. Many hunters have trouble hitting a pie plate under ideal conditions at the range and couldn’t hit a 4x8 sheet of plywood with buck fever.

Since a teen I’ve always practiced at twice the expected range using half the expected size target I intend to hunt.


Examples:

Bow hunting deer: most shots are at 30-40 yards at an 8” target so I practice at 60-80 yards using a 4” target.

Small game with 22lr: most shots are 40-50 yards on 1-2” squirrel and rabbit heads so I practice at 80-100 yards using 1/2” to 1” size targets.




Though I might get flamed for this, I’d fully support mandatory accuracy testing prior to getting a hunting license. I’ve seen some pretty embarrassing shots and have helped track some very poorly hit animals over the years.
 
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I suspect that if even a modest demonstration of shooting competence were required to get a hunting license, there would be a lot fewer licenses issued...

And how many hunters have actually sighted their rifles? Or just taken a shot at a stump and declared that is close enough?
 
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The testing requirements to build skill is a myth. Go guide European's a few seasons.The shooting is worse then average American by far.
 
Accuracy is great, but too many people forget about maintaining that accuracy in field conditions.

Lots of very proficient and accurate range shooters struggle in the field, and a lot of "Okay" shooters excel in the bush. Accuracy is great for long shots, but being able to take quick shots or adapting to your surroundings to find adequate support/rest can be a challenge for some.

I'm by no means a great shot, I've killed a couple critters beyond 400m, but I'm way more confident taking rapid shots or improvising rests in various conditions for shots <300m, which is how I've shot most of my animals.
 
I suspect that if even a modest demonstration of shooting competence were required to get a hunting license, there would be a lot fewer licenses issued...

And how many hunters have actually sighted their rifles? Or just taken a shot at a stump and declared that is close enough?
I agree, I look at a few euro/Scandinavian countries tries where you need to pass a shooting test to be eligible to a hunting license, and some require a moving tartlet test too… I don’t know many people that would pass a moving target test or even a static target shooting from field position including offhand at 75m!!
 
Almost all new rifles come with an accuracy gaurantee usually 1 MOA or better and majority of new rifles will do it after you find the load the gun likes, so most would probably say that’s the new standard of what’s acceptable. If the question is what is lowest level of accuracy acceptable that is to be determined by the intended use. Just keep in mind when things get un ideal a gun does not get more accurate. The point of getting a rifle and load dialed in is to make up for the error a shooter may introduce in those circumstances where that line in the sand is up to you.
 
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