Grouse Hunting Guide- Ontario

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I am looking to start a long term relationship with a grouse/woodcock hunting guide/service/camp in Ontario.

My current guide is getting older and I am looking for someone to eventually take over.

I need someone who has their own dog/dogs and within 4 hour drive of Toronto. I am not looking to swat grouse on the side of the road from an ATV; I am looking to hunt them with pointing or flushing dogs on the wing in the classic style.

I would book 4-10 outings each fall.

If you know anyone or anything please let me know.

Thank you.
 
Sorry, it's not my intention to seem condescending or whatever, but a guide for grouse? Just drive north until you hit the boreal forest, and walk the logging roads and skidder trails. The grouse are everywhere, so you really don't need a guide to find them.

If there's logging activity, there are grouse ... everywhere. They eat the new poplar and tag-alder leaves off the saplings the spring up everywhere after a clearcut. They also eat berries, so if you see mountain ash trees, good bet you'll find grouse.

Spend your money on a motel room in Sudbury, SSM, Timmins, North Bay, Thunder Bay or wherever, and enjoy the local food and culture - do day trips out to the woods and hunt.
 
Sorry, it's not my intention to seem condescending or whatever, but a guide for grouse? Just drive north until you hit the boreal forest, and walk the logging roads and skidder trails. The grouse are everywhere, so you really don't need a guide to find them.

If there's logging activity, there are grouse ... everywhere. They eat the new poplar and tag-alder leaves off the saplings the spring up everywhere after a clearcut. They also eat berries, so if you see mountain ash trees, good bet you'll find grouse.

Spend your money on a motel room in Sudbury, SSM, Timmins, North Bay, Thunder Bay or wherever, and enjoy the local food and culture - do day trips out to the woods and hunt.

He pointed out he is not looking to swat grouse from on the trail from an ATV. Wants a classic hunt with dogs and wing shooting....

I'd start maybe contacting some of the game farms in Southern Ontario and see if they know anyone or could put you in touch with anyone. Also there are some bird dog clubs around, try that and get the word out. 4 to 10 times a year and you might want to look at your own dog...
 
Sorry, it's not my intention to seem condescending or whatever, but a guide for grouse? Just drive north until you hit the boreal forest, and walk the logging roads and skidder trails. The grouse are everywhere, so you really don't need a guide to find them.

If there's logging activity, there are grouse ... everywhere. They eat the new poplar and tag-alder leaves off the saplings the spring up everywhere after a clearcut. They also eat berries, so if you see mountain ash trees, good bet you'll find grouse.

Spend your money on a motel room in Sudbury, SSM, Timmins, North Bay, Thunder Bay or wherever, and enjoy the local food and culture - do day trips out to the woods and hunt.

I appreciate the reply and don't find it condescending at all :). That said, I understand where to find grouse and have hunted grouse and woodcock for years.

I need a guide within around 4 hours of Toronto with a dog who I can pay well to hunt with me and who can handle the dog to can point them/flush them for me and my guest.

I personally have no desire to "hunt" grouse by walking around and shooting them out of trees or on a logging road. I don't care if other guys do, just not for me. I do not want to "hunt" pheasants or chukars at a preserve or a private club. Been there and done that and not interested in the slightest.

Taking a wild bird on the wing with a classic side by side shotgun over a beautiful pointing dog is more my speed......

I am looking for a Canadian equivalent of this. https://www.pineridgegrousecamp.com/

I am a new member of the ruffed grouse society but they haven't been helpful yet despite a couple emails.

Most grouse hunters are big time "dog guys". I love dogs but I travel far too much for business, have 3 little kids and work a lot. I don't have the time or energy to train/care for a grouse dog at this point in my life.
 
He pointed out he is not looking to swat grouse from on the trail from an ATV. Wants a classic hunt with dogs and wing shooting....

I'd start maybe contacting some of the game farms in Southern Ontario and see if they know anyone or could put you in touch with anyone. Also there are some bird dog clubs around, try that and get the word out. 4 to 10 times a year and you might want to look at your own dog...

good advice on the game farms. Didn't think of that.
 
Sorry, it's not my intention to seem condescending or whatever, but a guide for grouse? Just drive north until you hit the boreal forest, and walk the logging roads and skidder trails. The grouse are everywhere, so you really don't need a guide to find them.

If there's logging activity, there are grouse ... everywhere. They eat the new poplar and tag-alder leaves off the saplings the spring up everywhere after a clearcut. They also eat berries, so if you see mountain ash trees, good bet you'll find grouse.

Spend your money on a motel room in Sudbury, SSM, Timmins, North Bay, Thunder Bay or wherever, and enjoy the local food and culture - do day trips out to the woods and hunt.

People who would pay for a guide aren't looking for grouse that can be shot like chickens, they'll want some wing shooting from smart birds. Such a guide might want to scout out some woodcock territory as well, they've become very popular with upland hunters. Look for stands of aspen in damp ground.
 
A guide for grouse, thats a new one. Sounds more like you want the services of a game farm with paid for planted birds. Try Pine Ridge Game farm out of Sunderland NE of Toronto. When I lived back east years ago we used this fella for years. Highly reputable outfit. Pheasant and Chukar. No roughed Grouse. He advertises in the Ontario Out of Doors magazine.

Its a bumper year here in NW Ont for grouse, there everywhere in great numbers. Roughed, Franklins (spruce), and Sharp Tails. I have about a doz. on the lawn and lane way early morning and evening. Lawn ornaments. We don't bother them.
 
I live close to northern crown land within an hour or two drive, where grouse are abundant, I can shoot my limit, and so I get the attitude of some fortunate people posting opinions here, dismissing the grouse guiding service business idea.

But I think that northern attitude is somewhat smug and privileged for northerners - northerners have easy access to vast crown land landscapes of good to excellent grouse habitat and populations.

A major portion of my life was spent in southern Ontario in a sea of private land posted "no trespassing", posted agricultural land, urban sprawl, and estate residential and cottage country locking up vast areas of woodlands, wetlands, shorelines, and old fields. Unless you knew some private landowners with alot of land in woodlot, old field and wetlands, hunting within a day's drive of home, it was next to impossible. The few specks of public land reserves that allowed hunting were long since shot-out for grouse populations, and could be dangerously over-crowded with hunters, shooting towards each other when the last existing grouse in the tract flushed.

I wanted to go grouse hunting real bad, but it was like living in a prison cell for years, looking out at landscapes I could never access. Add to that a busy work life just starting out, and limited time to "just drive north" into areas I did not know, and required overnight stays due to the distances, adding to travel expense that at that time I could not afford, barely able to put gas in the car. And it was a little car, not a truck with good tires for backroads.

In southern Ontario there is a giant wall of cottage country private land, surrounding it before getting north into the Boreal Forest to the north. It can be very hard for a beginner to that landscape to access the separate blocks of public land within that private zone (and that was well before the online Crown Land Use Atlas revealed the land ownership opportunities).

I think the professional grouse guide for hunters (or wish-to-be new hunters) living in that southern densely developed private land landscape, is a great idea. Marketed and managed well, I predict it could be lucrative. The customer would have to be financially well off of course to afford the service, (guide fees, fuel, overnight stays in local hotels or tourist camps, etc).

When I lived down there, I could never have afforded such guided services. But there is alot of money down there and thousands of well-to-do people that would love to hunt grouse, and pay for it.
Especially the older folks, now physically not as spry, who retired from hunting years ago, but would like to get in a few more hunts before they become too old to walk around in the bush.

There are also many wealthier old guys living down south who love to would pay to take their grandkids on a northern guided grouse hunt, who's parents don't hunt or are too busy or not financially able to take their kids north to hunt. That's what grandparents are for, especially Grandpa. Grandpa wants to see his grandkids exposed to quality hunting experiences before he passes on, and he will pay for such a guided hunt if he is unable to scout the northern habitats himself. Maybe he will pass on his shotguns to the grandkids after some grouse hunts? My Grandpa did - he gave me his Browning 20 ga O/U.

The more people who get out to hunt, the better our future is for firearms ownership and freedom.

Best wishes for your business plans!
 
A guide for grouse, thats a new one. Sounds more like you want the services of a game farm with paid for planted birds. Try Pine Ridge Game farm out of Sunderland NE of Toronto. When I lived back east years ago we used this fella for years. Highly reputable outfit. Pheasant and Chukar. No roughed Grouse. He advertises in the Ontario Out of Doors magazine.

Its a bumper year here in NW Ont for grouse, there everywhere in great numbers. Roughed, Franklins (spruce), and Sharp Tails. I have about a doz. on the lawn and lane way early morning and evening. Lawn ornaments. We don't bother them.

I have 0 interest in shooting pen raised birds.
 
Sounds like an LL Bean ad. The dude ranch of grouse hunting.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

In all seriousness, I hope you find what you're after. ... you know, you don't have to shoot them on the road or out of the trees - plenty will flush up for you out of the alders and tall roadside grass, but hunting this way is the difference between being home for lunch with 5 birds and being home for dinner with 2.
 
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