Grouse in the Cariboo
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Hunting forecast for canada... maybe some good info, maybe some bad.
Going to go for some more grouse towards the end of this week in regions 3 and 5.
Trying to "blood" my newest 20g o/u :wink:
Hunting forecast for canada... maybe some good info, maybe some bad.
Going to go for some more grouse towards the end of this week in regions 3 and 5.
Trying to "blood" my newest 20g o/u :wink:
- Location
- north vancouver
Well, i just got back,went up thursday, got the boat winterised friday morning,went out hunting afternoon/evening---saw only one grouse and no deer, not a one.
Went back out sat. morning myself, 45 minutes later spotted a lone deer thro the trees, downhill about 100/120 yds. Glassed thro my 10x50s and could not make out any horns.
It stood there stareing,head on,and still couldn't see any horns sticking up
BUT then, as some of the thin branches waved in the breeze, there they were :shock: Large antlers creasting outward and upwards
Put the cross hairs right on his chest and squeezed, the new Tikka 270 with federal premium 140gr. accubond did the job
He is a beauty, and i'm very happy. Best one i've ever shot.
No grouse though :roll:
Went back out sat. morning myself, 45 minutes later spotted a lone deer thro the trees, downhill about 100/120 yds. Glassed thro my 10x50s and could not make out any horns.
It stood there stareing,head on,and still couldn't see any horns sticking up
BUT then, as some of the thin branches waved in the breeze, there they were :shock: Large antlers creasting outward and upwards
Put the cross hairs right on his chest and squeezed, the new Tikka 270 with federal premium 140gr. accubond did the job
He is a beauty, and i'm very happy. Best one i've ever shot.
No grouse though :roll:
haggisbasher said:Put the cross hairs right on his chest and squeezed, the new Tikka 270 with federal premium 140gr. accubond did the job
He is a beauty, and i'm very happy. Best one i've ever shot.
No grouse though :roll:
Congratulations!!
Any pictures???
- Location
- north vancouver
I took a couple,i'll see how they turned out. I was more interested in getting him into the truck as i was by myself. That was a job in itself.
Went out Sat for Bears...not a single one :?
Loads of deer though, nothing to get excited about as I'm off in Nov. for a Muley Hunt so I think I'll wait :wink:
Did manage to Limit out on Spruce (5) and Blues (another 5) Not bad considering I've never shot a Blue before, quite a bit bigger then the Spruce and Ruffed I'm used to
Didn't see too many on the Main roads but just about any "less traveled" road I hit seemed to have lots of Grouse, same as last year anyways.
Yes this was in Region 3 8)
Haggis, Congrats on the Deer
Loads of deer though, nothing to get excited about as I'm off in Nov. for a Muley Hunt so I think I'll wait :wink:
Did manage to Limit out on Spruce (5) and Blues (another 5) Not bad considering I've never shot a Blue before, quite a bit bigger then the Spruce and Ruffed I'm used to
Didn't see too many on the Main roads but just about any "less traveled" road I hit seemed to have lots of Grouse, same as last year anyways.
Yes this was in Region 3 8)
Haggis, Congrats on the Deer
- Location
- north vancouver
Gatehouse said:Awesome, Haggis!
I just had some deer pot roast for dinner and I am washing it down with the last of the Scotch!
WHAT :shock: You didn't save me any
Just for that, you have to give me the recipe for the pot roast.
Oh POPCAN,i guess you're right--all that breaking in and cleaning while you guys were shooting off lots of ammo :lol:
I will not be up there again until Nov. ( i have a doe tag) but i just decided to hop a flight back to Scotland next Tuesday for a week to visit with my family as i haven't been back for three years.
Just got off the phone this morning with my sister (calm down BUM) :lol: and my parents so i decided---why not :!:
The river runs thro the lower part of the farm and the phesants are still there
, the local is just around the corner (and several more also close at hand) so we'll see what this trip brings Haggis
You will laugh at this, but I got home form sheep hutning yesterday, and haven't really restocked the fridge.
So I grabbed a hunk of moose shoulder, opened a can of Campells muchroom soup, sprinkled some onion powder on the meat, dumped the soup on top, and added some whipping cream.
Pot roasted (covered) for 3 hours in a 300degree oven, and it's great.
it was one of my moms old stand bys for a dcent meal with a cheapcut of meat.
Some bloody chef, eh? :mrgreen:
You will laugh at this, but I got home form sheep hutning yesterday, and haven't really restocked the fridge.
So I grabbed a hunk of moose shoulder, opened a can of Campells muchroom soup, sprinkled some onion powder on the meat, dumped the soup on top, and added some whipping cream.
Pot roasted (covered) for 3 hours in a 300degree oven, and it's great.
it was one of my moms old stand bys for a dcent meal with a cheapcut of meat.
Some bloody chef, eh? :mrgreen:
- Location
- north vancouver
Gatehouse said:Haggis
You will laugh at this, but I got home form sheep hutning yesterday, and haven't really restocked the fridge.
So I grabbed a hunk of moose shoulder, opened a can of Campells muchroom soup, sprinkled some onion powder on the meat, dumped the soup on top, and added some whipping cream.
Pot roasted (covered) for 3 hours in a 300degree oven, and it's great.
it was one of my moms old stand bys for a dcent meal with a cheapcut of meat.
Some bloody chef, eh? :mrgreen:
Awesome :!: Do you use one of those large 'clay' pots :?:
I used a glass roasting pan with a lid. Like "Corningware" :mrgreen:
It's hilarious, I have al these great things at work, but I was talkign to my GF the other day, and I said "My at home kitchen stuff sucks!" :mrgreen:
I still manage to put out a pretty good spread when peopel come by, though! :wink:
It's hilarious, I have al these great things at work, but I was talkign to my GF the other day, and I said "My at home kitchen stuff sucks!" :mrgreen:
I still manage to put out a pretty good spread when peopel come by, though! :wink:
- Location
- north vancouver
OK, the deer was a 3 point, BUT, the three tines on each side were really big, about 8 or 9 inches.
But what is interesting is that the base of the horns were thick and knarled, about 1.75" in dia.
I've shot 4 pointers with racks not even close to this guy.
The butcher estimates that it'll easily give me about 130 lbs of meat.
How old would you say he would be :?:
But what is interesting is that the base of the horns were thick and knarled, about 1.75" in dia.
I've shot 4 pointers with racks not even close to this guy.
The butcher estimates that it'll easily give me about 130 lbs of meat.
How old would you say he would be :?:
- Location
- north vancouver
Gatehouse said:
####, i went out hunting by myself,shot a real nice dear and i FORGOT to bring along my microscope (which i normally always carry with me) :lol:
To hell with this BC hunting, it's getting too technical---i'm off to Scotland to shoot some phesants, it's not so demanding :wink: :lol:
- Location
- north vancouver
popcan said:
Thanks, i will
It's easier with pheasants, as anyone who has hunted them knows :!:
If you want to know the age of the bird, it's alot easier than this microscope stuff ( which BTW i think GH is putting me on), with pheasants all you have to do is compare the lenght of the tail feathers against the wingspan of the bird and you can tell if it's a 2 yr, 3 yr or an older bird.
It's quite simple, actually, they have done this going way back in time but it is really of no use to the shooter (he /she doesn't give a s#@t ) it's more for the 'Estate" and the 'Gamekeeper" to track how many birds survive and to what areas they are holding up in.
By doing this, they can better produce a more productive shoot in subsequent years.
On the other hand, what is more interesting, (from what "James", my familys gamekeeper told me yesterday, is that,the birds are getting smarter as each season goes by) therefore getting harder flush & hit :!:
DEER ARE AGED BY EXAMINING THE TEETH OF THE LOWER JAW. This is the only accurate field method. Size, color, and antler development may give clues as to general age (young or old), but they are not accurate indicators of age. Fawns can be recognized as long as they retain their spotted coats (3 to 4 months of age), but in November they have gray coats like older deer.
The charts on the next page show condition of deer teeth during the November hunting season. Considerable knowledge of the life history of deer is needed to age them at other times of the year.
At birth, fawns have only the front teeth (incisors). Cheek teeth appear during the first month of life. The premolars (the first three cheek teeth) come in first, and additional teeth come in behind them. These first premolars are temporary "baby teeth", and are shed when the deer is about 1 1/2 years old. Thus deer are aged by number of teeth or tooth replacement until they are 19 months old. Older deer are aged by the amount of wear on the cheek teeth.
To use the charts showing dental age characters, you must have a clear view of the cheek teeth on at least one side of the lower jaw. The mouth must be opened as far as possible. A tire tool or other type of pry bar is usually needed. Cutting the cheek muscles provides a clear view of the cheek teeth after the mouth is opened. If the cheek muscles cannot be cut, as on a trophy buck, a flashlight will help in seeing the cheek teeth.
COUNT THE CHEEK TEETH. Fawns have less than six teeth. MOST FAWNS IN NOVEMBER HAVE FOUR CHEEK TEETH, becaues they were born in June and are five months old. They fall, therefore, into the four-seven months age class. Fawns less than four months will have only three cheek teeth, and fawns over seven months will have five cheek teeth.
The front teeth of deer are not important in determining age because all four pairs are replaced by eleven months of age. They do help to break down the four-seven month age class, however, fawns less than five months old have narrow, temporary pincers which are replace at 6-7 months (see circled drawings on Chart 1). The other three pairs of incisors are replaced at 9-11 months.
If there are six cheek teeth, look closely at the third tooth. MOST YEARLINGS IN NOVEMBER HAVE THREE PEAKS ON THE THIRD CHEEK TOOTH. The first three cheek teeth will appear brown and be worn flat on top, in contrast to the sharp white teeth behind them.
Deer in the 19 month class can be confused with 2 1/2 year old deer because both have six permanent cheek teeth which are relatively unworn. However, the 19 month old deer will have no wear on the rear peak of the last tooth, and the first three teeth will be relatively unstained and possibly not fully erupted.
ADULT DEER HAVE ONLY TWO PEAKS ON THE THIRD CHEEK TOOTH. These older deer are aged by the amount of wear on the cheek teeth. About 95 percent of our annual harvest is composed of deer 3 1/2 years or younger, so if you can distinguish fawns, yearlings, 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year old deer, you will be able to age most of those you see.
The 2 1/2 year old deer have sharp peaks on all of the cheek teeth and very little wear on the last tooth. The 3 1/2 year olds begin to show wear on the peaks of the fourth tooth, and the peaks will have a brown center. The last cusp on the rear tooth will be worn into a shallow cup shape.
Very old deer are relatively easy to recognize because all the teeth are worn flat and nearly into the gums. It is the deer between 3 1/2 and 6 1/2 years which are difficult to age and require considerable experience.
The aging charts show the amount of wear which is usually found on teeth of deer from southern Missouri. Teeth of deer in northern Missouri will show less wear.
More recently, a technique of aging teeth by ementum annuli counts has been developed. Alternating light and dark layers of cementum can be seen on microscopic sections of deer insicors. These cementum annuli are much like annual rings of trees. The system is more accurate than the method described above. Biologists routinely collect one or both of the center pair of incisors from hunter-killed deer at check stations for age analysis. The preparation of tooth sections is a laboratory procedure and incisors must be routed to the Wildlife Research Center in Columbia for processing.
The charts on the next page show condition of deer teeth during the November hunting season. Considerable knowledge of the life history of deer is needed to age them at other times of the year.
At birth, fawns have only the front teeth (incisors). Cheek teeth appear during the first month of life. The premolars (the first three cheek teeth) come in first, and additional teeth come in behind them. These first premolars are temporary "baby teeth", and are shed when the deer is about 1 1/2 years old. Thus deer are aged by number of teeth or tooth replacement until they are 19 months old. Older deer are aged by the amount of wear on the cheek teeth.
To use the charts showing dental age characters, you must have a clear view of the cheek teeth on at least one side of the lower jaw. The mouth must be opened as far as possible. A tire tool or other type of pry bar is usually needed. Cutting the cheek muscles provides a clear view of the cheek teeth after the mouth is opened. If the cheek muscles cannot be cut, as on a trophy buck, a flashlight will help in seeing the cheek teeth.
COUNT THE CHEEK TEETH. Fawns have less than six teeth. MOST FAWNS IN NOVEMBER HAVE FOUR CHEEK TEETH, becaues they were born in June and are five months old. They fall, therefore, into the four-seven months age class. Fawns less than four months will have only three cheek teeth, and fawns over seven months will have five cheek teeth.
The front teeth of deer are not important in determining age because all four pairs are replaced by eleven months of age. They do help to break down the four-seven month age class, however, fawns less than five months old have narrow, temporary pincers which are replace at 6-7 months (see circled drawings on Chart 1). The other three pairs of incisors are replaced at 9-11 months.
If there are six cheek teeth, look closely at the third tooth. MOST YEARLINGS IN NOVEMBER HAVE THREE PEAKS ON THE THIRD CHEEK TOOTH. The first three cheek teeth will appear brown and be worn flat on top, in contrast to the sharp white teeth behind them.
Deer in the 19 month class can be confused with 2 1/2 year old deer because both have six permanent cheek teeth which are relatively unworn. However, the 19 month old deer will have no wear on the rear peak of the last tooth, and the first three teeth will be relatively unstained and possibly not fully erupted.
ADULT DEER HAVE ONLY TWO PEAKS ON THE THIRD CHEEK TOOTH. These older deer are aged by the amount of wear on the cheek teeth. About 95 percent of our annual harvest is composed of deer 3 1/2 years or younger, so if you can distinguish fawns, yearlings, 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year old deer, you will be able to age most of those you see.
The 2 1/2 year old deer have sharp peaks on all of the cheek teeth and very little wear on the last tooth. The 3 1/2 year olds begin to show wear on the peaks of the fourth tooth, and the peaks will have a brown center. The last cusp on the rear tooth will be worn into a shallow cup shape.
Very old deer are relatively easy to recognize because all the teeth are worn flat and nearly into the gums. It is the deer between 3 1/2 and 6 1/2 years which are difficult to age and require considerable experience.
The aging charts show the amount of wear which is usually found on teeth of deer from southern Missouri. Teeth of deer in northern Missouri will show less wear.
More recently, a technique of aging teeth by ementum annuli counts has been developed. Alternating light and dark layers of cementum can be seen on microscopic sections of deer insicors. These cementum annuli are much like annual rings of trees. The system is more accurate than the method described above. Biologists routinely collect one or both of the center pair of incisors from hunter-killed deer at check stations for age analysis. The preparation of tooth sections is a laboratory procedure and incisors must be routed to the Wildlife Research Center in Columbia for processing.
- Location
- north vancouver
popcan said:
That's understandable, he's not fron Scotland---he's never measured a pheasant :roll:
