GSG 1911 Upgrade Kits

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Has anyone used either the CW accessories or ZRTS upgrade kits on their gsg 1911?

Every time I take mine apart to clean it and put it back together the point of aim changes. Fair bit of slop in barrel to bushing fit, which I assume is my issue. Just wondering if any of these kits would remedy this

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Replaced with ZRTS ultimate package, and it came with a full length guide rod, slide alignment cone (SAC), bushing, spring & plug.

It reads “Ultimate Package is designed to work without using the barrel screw. This eliminates the problem of changing the point of impact every time you re-torque the barrel screw”

It fits very tight (Precise) and accuracy was visibly improved. My wife was able to repeatedly hit dead centre after an upgrade approximately from 15 yards. I am happy with it and would recommend to others.
 
Thanks zastrozzi, I was leaning more towards zrts that alignment cone seems like a very good idea. Think I will go with the zrts. Thanks again
 
CW accessories basically is the same but it also comes with a lower powered standard velocity recoil spring, but I would caution that the bushing fit is so good and tight that the gun now permanently shoots about an 1-2" high at 25 yards even with the highest front sight post. I would say its basically a 6 o'clock hold instead of a center hold in terms of POI.

In any case a 1911 upgrade kit is going to be miles better for the disassembly and reliability.

Old picture but here it is with the CW accessories accelerator package. You can see the blued bushing, stainless steel Spring plug and extended guide rod.

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I would probably recommend the ZRTS kit as its more readily available.
 
Bushing does nothing on these fixed barrel pistols. Springs and guide rods help a bit,. Alignment "cone" is a different animal that can help accuracy.
Dunno if Dlask still makes adjustable sights for these but that as one of my first upgrades, and the trigger, that's brutal. Still trying to figure out how to get all the Series 80 junk out of it.
 
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Bushing does nothing on these fixed barrel pistols. Springs and guide rods help a bit,. Alignment "cone" is a different animal that can help accuracy.
Dunno if Dlask still makes adjustable sights for these but that as one of my first upgrades, and the trigger, that's brutal. Still trying to figure out how to get all the Series 80 junk out of it.
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The barrel is "fixed" originally because you install a screw fixing it to the frame. With the upgrade kits it eliminates that screw because you have a longer full length guide rod that "braces" the barrel to the frame, and the tighter bushing helps align the barrel more or less in the same place.

check out CW accessories accelerator package caution.

Note: Installing the PES will change the "point of Impact" on you gun! Moving the barrel back to the center of the slide will make the gun shoot higher. In most cases the tallest front sight will compensate for this but it will depend on the gun and ammo used. If the tallest front sight does not correct POI we suggest installing our front and rear sight set designed just for the PES.
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EDIT: Man I think something's wrong with my GSG the fixed barrel doesn't seem to be fixed to the frame.

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And its drooping a lot without the bushing is it defective guys?
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That was kind of the point, the GSG 1911 has a "fixed" barrel which can be improved by the installation of the new bushing which gives it a more secure lockup on the front of the barrel too (considering its not "fixed" to the frame). This also accounts for how the CW accessories bushing is so tightly machined that the creator announces that it might force the barrel to point up causing POA/POI issues.

To say the bushing does nothing is inaccurate, while it might not do much the overall sum of all the performance parts increases accuracy and increases reliability.
 
In OEM form the bushing does nothing but hold the guide rod plug in, no contact with the barrel at all. This seems more logical for reliability and accuracy then the CW kit. I'd rather have the barrel fixed then flopping around for accuracy, and the cast zinc barrel that has the barrel liner isn't exactly machined or round, so I can't see a tight fit bushing doing anything for reliabilty or accuracy. Probably cause more problems then OEM form.
I did replace the cast guide rod with stainless one, but it didn't really do anything for reliabilty, it was already running well. Did it more for longevity.
Accuracy in OEM form was always good for how cheap these are made. Anything GSG is not really worth throwing good money into, they are pretty low quality firearms.
 
The tighter bushing to me makes sense because the front of the barrel would always returns to the same spot, whereas with the OEM bushing is so loose it might make the front of the barrel point slightly off depending on where the front ends up after the firing cycle.

If you did use all of the upgrade parts in the ZRTS or CW kit which eliminates the need for the barrel screw. The pistol would always reassemble the same way after you take it apart due to the tighter fit, whereas in the OEM form if you tighten the OEM barrel screw too much or not enough it changes POI.

True, it is a cheap pistol and expecting buckmark or S&W 41 accuracy from a copy of a 1911 is a fools errand, and it may just be putting a lipstick on a pig with the these performance kits. But I do think the upgrade kits are worthwhile enough just for the ease of disassembly and reassembly.

This guys video (who may be doing it to sell his product) at least shows the differences in the shorter guide rod and longer one. The longer one with the shorter base lets the slide hang out at the back much longer giving the magazine more of a chance to pick up the next round.

 
I ended up going with the zrts kit, still waiting to get it. If I'm not 100% happy with the results I may try the cw accessories kit just to do a comparison.
 
In my opinion if one of those upgrade kits doesn't fix your problems another one won't. Just stick with the ZRTS and it will at least simplify the GSG 1911 for toolless disassembly.
 
So should I be worried about the stock one I just ordered? I had upgraded grips and an extra mag tossed in but I was hoping for it to be good enough as is to get new shooters to start on something before the 9mm and rifles come out. Fingers crossed if the wife ever changes her mind I needed something for her anyway
 
DoubleTapDiabetus said:
So should I be worried about the stock one I just ordered? I had upgraded grips and an extra mag tossed in but I was hoping for it to be good enough as is to get new shooters to start on something before the 9mm and rifles come out. Fingers crossed if the wife ever changes her mind I needed something for her anyway
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They aren't terrible in stock form, just fussy. I found that mine likes the bulk Federal 36gr in the 525 round pack. Maybe one malfunction over the course of 3 magazines. Keep it clean though. Failures go way up after a couple hundred rounds. Your mileage may vary.
 
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