Guelph police switch to Glock 22

US army went with the 92's because it passed the test and other requirmants the army had. I find it funny how people come up with all the different reasons and of course they're all different. :rolleyes: (fwiw I would want a DA/SA as well if I had to pick a gun for combat).

Why did the seals go with the Sig, can't say I know, but I bet Sig was pretty anxous to sell some guns after they lost the Army contract, wouldn't be surprsed if they gave them a hell of a deal.

Obviously you fail to see the lack of logic behind a pistol with second strike capability. A DA/SA pistol is an advantage when carrying a sidearm. The ability to draw and fire without operating an active safety device makes DA/SA a more streamlined system to operate without the risk of running a pistol with the hammer cocked like 1911's. The ability to strike the primer repeatedly is not an advantage, its a trait common to DA/SA guns. Anyone who champions the belief that striking the primer a second,third, fourth.. time when said round has already failed to detonate is either a salesman trying to sell DA/SA pistols or completely lacking in practical handgun skills.

I've covered this topic in a previous thread. Striking the primer more than once has the potential to solve only one problem. In most cases, the problem isn't bad ammo, its unseated mags, although I'm sure everyone already knew that.

TDC
 
I've covered this topic in a previous thread. Striking the primer more than once has the potential to solve only one problem

Wow, your are the expert, eh.....

How about some of our members who have actually "been there, done that"....

As far as the Sig and Beretta issue....Sig was seen as a better pistol, but the Beretta was seen as good enough for the price....

Have you ever shot military 9mm ammunition?? My experience with the P225's is that the second strike is a really nice when you are dealing with IVI's stellar quality control.........
 
Wow, your are the expert, eh.....

How about some of our members who have actually "been there, done that"....

As far as the Sig and Beretta issue....Sig was seen as a better pistol, but the Beretta was seen as good enough for the price....

Have you ever shot military 9mm ammunition?? My experience with the P225's is that the second strike is a really nice when you are dealing with IVI's stellar quality control.........

Second strike is NOT the correct action to take when your pistol fails to fire. By striking the primer a second time you have the potential of solving ONE of several problems associated with a handgun that failed to fire. TAP RACK is the only intelligent course of action. That being said, what's the point of a second strike capability when your remedial action drill is to tap the magazine and cycle the action, thus recharging/re-cocking the action?? Second strike is great for plinkers who are too cheap to let one bad round go or have no concept of combative pistol skills.

TDC
 
I don’t need to do a mindless routine to figure out what’s wrong with the gun; if I had to depend on the gun I’d make sure the magazine is inserted properly ahead of time. Also I can tell if the gun magazine isn’t inserted properly. Other possible issues like FTF and FTE are also easy to just by looking at the gun (slide would be out of battery) and if that’s the case I’d manually rack the slide. So that leaves only one possible issue - light strike. Pulling the trigger the second time takes less time then racking the slide AND then pulling the trigger on the new round. And you can always have your hand ready to rack the slide if it becomes nessesary.
 
TDC said:
NAA has had zero issues with his Glock 22 and he's put a good number through it. Did he get a lucky one, or is his better built than many of the earlier copies of which so many horror stories were born. I don't know.

I have been shooting the same Glock 22 since early 1995. Since then, not one fail to feed, fire, extract or eject. Probably, 30,000 rounds thru it to date. Maybe it's luck, maybe not. I know if there was a SHTF scenario and I had to rely on one handgun it would be that pistola.

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Your mileage may vary.... :D
 
I don’t need to do a mindless routine to figure out what’s wrong with the gun; if I had to depend on the gun I’d make sure the magazine is inserted properly ahead of time. Also I can tell if the gun magazine isn’t inserted properly. Other possible issues like FTF and FTE are also easy to just by looking at the gun (slide would be out of battery) and if that’s the case I’d manually rack the slide. So that leaves only one possible issue - light strike. Pulling the trigger the second time takes less time then racking the slide AND then pulling the trigger on the new round. And you can always have your hand ready to rack the slide if it becomes nessesary.

Your intended use of the firearm might be different than mine or that of another. If you intend to rely on your pistol to defend life than squeezing the trigger again is a sure way to lose. If you shoot paper and aren't concerned with your time or score then feel free to execute any number of illogical movements that fail to address the most probable issue at hand.

A second trigger pull is faster than tap rack, no doubt. However if the second squeeze doesn't solve the problem, you're right back to square one if you've survived long enough to try and fix the problem a second time. You could observe your pistol and attempt to diagnose the problem visually. Of course you already knew that won't work in the dark, and becomes increasingly difficult when your cornea flattens due to adrenaline and your vision is impaired. Why default to a remedial action that doesn't solve the problem? Why attempt to discharge a round that has already proven to be unreliable? Why assume that the problem is a light strike/hard primer when the problem is probably an improperly seated magazine. Why assume a light strike/hard primer when the problem could also be a failure to feed from a bad magazine, an empty gun due to slide not locking back, a class 2 malfunction or a slide slightly out of battery. Why not execute a tap rack and solve multiple problems with one drill.

Tap Rack solves the following:
improperly seated magazines
empty gun due to bad magazines, riding the slide lock, broken slide lock
class 2 malfunctions(stovepipes or similar failures)
bad ammo(which gets cycled out of the gun)

Second strike has the POTENTIAL to solve only one problem.
Hard primers. If that is indeed the problem. If the problem is anything other than hard primers a second strike is simply wasting time and complicating your solution process.

Again, if you shoot paper a second strike of the primer is fine. If your intention is to defend life, its not. Its called a poor tactic and will get someone killed. Its your choice.

TDC
 
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