Guelph Rod and Gun Club?

[dink27]

hello from GRGC

Hi there,
This is Andrew for GRGC. I look after the club email. I find it odd that I found this in the Action Shooting Section, while AWDMIG seems to be trying to seek information about contacting the club. But we do have a large number of action shooters and sports. AWDMIG have you emailed directors@grgc.ca? I admit that it usually takes a day or two for me to respond. I travel out of town 1 week a month for work, have a full time job, family, other hobbies, and still try to find time to shoot and sleep (in that order)
Trap is in fact not running this Saturday the 24th. Otherwise anyone should feel free to drop in on a Saturday morning as the front gate is open to allow non-members to shoot trap at a rate of $8 per round, bring your own shot gun, #7.5 or #8 shells and eye and ear protection. One of the trap shooters or my self would be happy to provide a tour and information about the club.
At GRGC no one can shoot alone and one person present must be a (club certified) RSO, that's a rule that the CFO has imposed upon us.
If there is anything else I can answer feel free to ask or shoot me a PM or email.

Keep 'em pointed downrange,
Andrew

 

[L337]

Update!

I have been in touch with Andrew and other key people at GRGC now. Anyone seeing this thread or researching GRGC please dont take my seeking out information in any negative way. I meant no harm or bad publicity in any way

I am just an eager newb to shooting sports and the process from the the rPal courses to getting my plastic car to getting into a club to getting an ATT to finally be able to own a restricted in my name is taking quite a while. I have a firearm on hold, its painful to not be able to use it lol...I am sure everyone can feel where I am coming from. From taking my rPAL course to the day I can bring my Sig home is gonna be a brutal 6 month deal if not more....

I was looking for information from the community to help me reach someone because I couldnt find a phone number listing. I assumed someone is on the premises for members to come in and use the facility and wanted to speak to someone on the phone as email can get tedious in some instances.

Andrew and other BoD members have been helpful and responsive, its the holiday season so I should have been a bit more patient. Anyhoo! I am looking forward to my safety course.

 

[667]

Update!

I couldnt find a phone number listing. I assumed someone is on the premises for members to come in and use the facility and wanted to speak to someone on the phone as email can get tedious in some instances.

Well... It's not like someone lives at the club and can be there to take phone calls...

"Someone" doesn't need to be on the premesis for members to come in and use the premesis either... Members have the run of the place. 'Come and go as they please..

I'm sure Andrew has set you on the right track...
Welcome to the club... In advance

 

[Tuco Pike]

anyone should feel free to drop in on a Saturday morning as the front gate is open to allow non-members to shoot trap at a rate of $8 per round, bring your own shot gun, #7.5 or #8 shells and eye and ear protection. One of the trap shooters or my self would be happy to provide a tour and information about the club.
At GRGC no one can shoot alone and one person present must be a (club certified) RSO, that's a rule that the CFO has imposed upon us.
If there is anything else I can answer feel free to ask or shoot me a PM or email.

Hi Andrew. That is great to know about the trap. Just starting to get into that now. Regarding the RSO thing, is the CSSA RSO course acceptable or must one take another course on top of that? Just curious.

 

[stormbringer]

Well... It's not like someone lives at the club and can be there to take phone calls...

That is why EESA purchased a pay as you go cell phone...........We swap it around between Directors. It is not always answered on the first ring..........but we call back within a few hours.

 

[Onagoth]

Hey guys

I am trying to reach them, they have no phone number listed and no one has responded to my email.

Does anyone here belong to the club? Are they taking members? Are they a good club?

Any contact number??

Thanks in advance

Guelph has some good multi-gun and action shooting matches. But not being able to shoot alone is a deal breaker for me.

 

[Airwolf]

That is why EESA purchased a pay as you go cell phone...........We swap it around between Directors. It is not always answered on the first ring..........but we call back within a few hours.

Hmmmm...That's a very good idea and it certainly shows a dedication to the shooting sports and trying to attraction new people to the game....

While I've never been to the club, EESA certainly sounds like the only place to join if you live near by....(Not to disparage other clubs)

 

[7.62mm]

But not being able to shoot alone is a deal breaker for me.

I have to agree....what a retarded rule!
How did it come about that this rule was foisted upon this club?

 

[robak1]

GRGC is a fantastic club if you like socializing on the weekend, meeting great people, and if you enjoy nice facilities. If you are however a new shooter and actually intend to shoot...well that's a different story all together.

Hey guys

I am trying to reach them, they have no phone number listed and no one has responded to my email.

Does anyone here belong to the club? Are they taking members? Are they a good club?

Any contact number??

Thanks in advance

 

[667]

I have to agree....what a retarded rule!
How did it come about that this rule was foisted upon this club?

As with everything in life those that act responsibly suffer due to a handful or in this case probably just one or two a**holes.

From what I understand... 'CFO inspector(s) found evidence indicating
there are people who cannot be trusted to shoot unsupervised.
I'll leave it at that.

The RSO program was put in place to mitigate the problem... Rational being that if you are "trained" as an RSO and if whenever there's shooting taking place an RSO is present it will reduce/eliminate the behavior/conduct that leads to the CFO closing the range.

We have camera's everywhere now so maybe someday we can revisit the issue and have the no shooting alone rule changed.. We managed for 50 years.

Personally I don't think it's neccessary or even effective to have this rule, but I'm not the CFO.
I remember the days when we used to say "everyone is an RSO".

As for the club being "difficult" for new members. I gotta say... No pain no gain

 

[stormbringer]

As for the club being "difficult" for new members. I gotta say... No pain no gain

I just have to say that that is just a BIZARRE thing to say.

I always try to make it as easy and painless as possible for newbies to join in the shooting sports. Do do anything else seems self defeating to say the least.

 

[Onagoth]

It's true, idiot members are a huge liability to a gun club....but I am also significantly opposed to having huge barriers to entry for new members (especially those new members who are experienced shooters).

I think the only real solution is monitoring and consequence. The no shooting alone rule doesn't really protect the club from idiot members who have idiots as friends or guests. Gun clubs need to police themselves because the alternative is much worse.

It also wouldn't hurt to advise members of the risk of not following range policies...not just the risk to their membership but the risk to the club

 

[Onagoth]

I just have to say that that is just a BIZARRE thing to say.

I always try to make it as easy and painless as possible for newbies to join in the shooting sports. Do do anything else seems self defeating to say the least.

I agree, I think its bad enough having supervised shoots before members get full privledges.

 

[dave_dark]

I'm a fairly new member to GRGC and I really like it a lot. I've shot at quite a few clubs and been a member of others, and this is where I want to be.

The only issue I have is the not shooting alone rule. I have read the letter from the CFO, so I know why this rule was implemented. I also know that the club has since invested a LOT of money into improving the facility after the idiots ruined it for everyone.

In light of the increased security/accountability and multiple safety updates, I hope that someone is making the effort to have the CFO revisit the club to lift this unnecessary rule.

We have camera's everywhere now so maybe someday we can revisit the issue and have the no shooting alone rule changed.. We managed for 50 years.

Personally I don't think it's neccessary or even effective to have this rule, but I'm not the CFO. I remember the days when we used to say "everyone is an RSO".

 

[667]

I just have to say that that is just a BIZARRE thing to say.

I always try to make it as easy and painless as possible for newbies to join in the shooting sports. Do do anything else seems self defeating to say the least.

Well allow me to clarify... That comment was meant to be a little tongue in cheek.
That said.. I don't think there's anything wrong with having "new" shooters go through some sort of "initiation". Call it probation or whatever.
Especially when you really have no idea who the new member is.
It's up to clubs to determine how easy their process will be. Each club operates under different orders from the CFO.

When it comes to experienced shooters I'm agree with Onagoth.
A tour and a review of club rules is all that should be required.

 

[sendmorebrains]

As for the club being "difficult" for new members. I gotta say... No pain no gain[/QUOTE]

LOL.

What a load of Crap.

This sporting community needs as much support from new members to help sustain and increase the numbers not just on the range but for votes as well.

If you want your mantra garbage of yours to stick, the onus should be placed on the established members/directors to assist transition new members as painless as possible.



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[dink27]

Andrew and other BoD members have been helpful and responsive, its the holiday season so I should have been a bit more patient. Anyhoo! I am looking forward to my safety course.

Glad your all set!

Hi Andrew. That is great to know about the trap. Just starting to get into that now. Regarding the RSO thing, is the CSSA RSO course acceptable or must one take another course on top of that? Just curious.

As I understand it the RSO thing must be the club level course to satisfy the CFO

That is why EESA purchased a pay as you go cell phone...........We swap it around between Directors. It is not always answered on the first ring..........but we call back within a few hours.

I'm glad to hear this works at EESA, which is a great club, but I certainly don't have time to add this to my responsibilities for GRGC, and I suspect the rest of the BOD will have similar sentiments.

As with everything in life those that act responsibly suffer due to a handful or in this case probably just one or two a**holes.

From what I understand... 'CFO inspector(s) found evidence indicating
there are people who cannot be trusted to shoot unsupervised.
I'll leave it at that.

indeed, that is also what I understand of the situation.

As far as new members and silly rules go; yes the safety courses, supervised shoots, not shooing alone, and taking the RSO course all are a hassle, in my personal opinion. But thems the rules. I went through this same process. I've been at other clubs and gone through similar processes. Its the way it is, and will continue to be. Until law abiding firearms enthusiasts are not treated like (potential) criminals I don't see it changing. The best thing to do is become involved and too support groups like the CSSA and NFA.
It's only difficult for new members if they want to be loners. Shoot one of the many disciplines (trap, PPC, ODPL, IPSC, CAS) that hold regular get together at the club. Come out on a Saturday mornings when the rifle range is always busy and meet some people. Join the club forms and post a message that you looking for and RSO.

In short get involved in the club and its easy to find people to shoot with.


Best wishes over Christmas Nutz,

D!NK

 

[Biggunners]

Would not go personal but has any one baby sit 15 year kid , just saying. Now You add a gun and 15 year kid , that's quick recipe to club shut down and We faced it. So spending 50 grand and shutting down for six month and especially if you are living next door to Mr. Laing , you walk tight rope . If you love shooting and understanding shooting community's pain , you talk tough - Biggs

 

[stormbringer]

I'm glad to hear this works at EESA, which is a great club, but I certainly don't have time to add this to my responsibilities for GRGC, and I suspect the rest of the BOD will have similar sentiments.

You really think it adds more?

I actually think it makes things easier on both sides.

I KNOW that there is a way for people to get a hold of the club. It is a one stop shop for people who want to join or are interested in a newbie shoot etc.

It takes all the guess work out of things.

No running to the club to check messages on a machine that has not been checked for a week or more.

It just seemed logical when Moodyblueberry first brought it up and we never looked back.

 

[dink27]

You really think it adds more?

I actually think it makes things easier on both sides.

I KNOW that there is a way for people to get a hold of the club. It is a one stop shop for people who want to join or are interested in a newbie shoot etc.

It takes all the guess work out of things.

No running to the club to check messages on a machine that has not been checked for a week or more.

It just seemed logical when Moodyblueberry first brought it up and we never looked back.

I appreciate the input and will pass it along to the rest of the Board for their consideration at our next meeting.
As it is right now, we do not have a phone number, just the email and the email works best for my schedule. Email allows me to forward all the information we need for the other directors that look after; membership, safety courses, and ATTs. It also allows me to send a template response to all the people that only want to know how to get a license or what they can do if they want to try shooting with out yet having a license. It may not be the most efficient or best system, but it works for me.