Guelph Score Analysis

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I was just looking at the full guelph scores (for Standard) and I notices that a lot of competitors scored quite a bit lower then there classification %'s

what does this type of difference usually represent?

A harder then typical course?

A course which favours the top shooters?

Not a lot of lower class shooters?
 
The fact that a USPSA GM came and gave some people a reality check.:evil:
The old classifications were inflated due to a flawed system.:bangHead:
some people had massive gun faliures.:mad:
 
Madness said:
The fact that a USPSA GM came and gave some people a reality check.:evil:
The old classifications were inflated due to a flawed system.:bangHead:
some people had massive gun faliures.:mad:
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but look at the scores.. it's not just a "Few" people which were off, the difference between the top 5 shooters was 25% (top 2 were 1.7%)

my only "guess" would be that the top 2-3 shooters where well above everyone else, and created a ripple effect.
 
Madness said:
The fact that a USPSA GM came and gave some people a reality check.:evil:
The old classifications were inflated due to a flawed system.:bangHead:
some people had massive gun faliures.:mad:
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It was anyones match until the last stage where Mike had 2 misses.

Cheely is a great shooter...and an nice guy (it was a blast squading with Matt and Ken) but he didn't have any different effect on the results than Burrell does everytime we shoot against him.
 
was just looking at the full guelph scores (for Standard) and I notices that a lot of competitors scored quite a bit lower then there classification %'s
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Anytime a match has some distance to the targets the real talent will be way out front.

Almost anyone can hose a 5 yard target at nearly the same speed and probably get reasonable hits.

Mike
 
Off topic, but...

I wonder if it would be worth exploring a NATIONAL STATS page, on the IPSC Canada website that all members of IPSC Canada can view; that way the Flatlanders can see what the Maritimers are doing, and the West Coasties can see what the Ontario people are doing. The Torontonians can just sneer at the rest of Canada like they always do. :p
 
hungrybeagle said:
I wonder if it would be worth exploring a NATIONAL STATS page, on the IPSC Canada website that all members of IPSC Canada can view; that way the Flatlanders can see what the Maritimers are doing, and the West Coasties can see what the Ontario people are doing. The Torontonians can just sneer at the rest of Canada like they always do. :p
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It would probably be a lot easier to just use the same national username and password for all the provincial sites.

Of course, I don't agree with the hiding of the results at all, so maybe I'm also just not able to see why we want/need to hide our Ontario results from other IPSC Canada members.
 
NotoriousDan said:
It would probably be a lot easier to just use the same national username and password for all the provincial sites.

Of course, I don't agree with the hiding of the results at all, so maybe I'm also just not able to see why we want/need to hide our Ontario results from other IPSC Canada members.
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Almost all of the Provincials sites are behind a password.

We wouldn't also be doing it if the memebrs hadn't been requesting us to
 
Quigley said:
Almost all of the Provincials sites are behind a password.

We wouldn't also be doing it if the memebrs hadn't been requesting us to
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I fully understand and respect that some members feel there are privacy issues and that the decision was made to hide the data. What I don't yet understand is why each section needs a different password. Presumably the objective is to hide this data from criminals and non-shooters, not to hide it from IPSC members who happen to live in other provinces. We already have a national password, and it would not be difficult for IPSC Ontario to adopt the national password as its provincial password, and encourage the other sections to follow suit.
 
Madness said:
The fact that a USPSA GM came and gave some people a reality check.:evil:
The old classifications were inflated due to a flawed system.:bangHead:
some people had massive gun faliures.:mad:
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too bad Foreign competitors results(if there were any who won) won't affect the classification results... but good indication where everyone really should be...
 
maxpig said:
too bad Foreign competitors results(if there were any who won) won't affect the classification results... but good indication where everyone really should be...
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Nonesense...

We have never removed an out of province shooters results from the match (at least not in the lsat 3 or 4 years) in order to adjust the results for classifictions. A sore spot with some

They stand as is...

I have no idea how they would effect the Regional ICS results...not our jurisdiction
 
Quigley said:
Nonesense...

We have never removed an out of province shooters results from the match (at least not in the last 3 or 4 years) in order to adjust the results for classifictions. A sore spot with some

They stand as is...

I have no idea how they would effect the Regional ICS results...not our jurisdiction
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Nonesense... why so???...Man you walked right into that one...
if this is truly an Ontario Classification system having people from other jurisdictions affecting the results would be tantamount to having a national system.... or in this case an international ranking system...but that's not what we wanted... because as several have stated "what do I care how I rank to others outside of Ontario. I never travel so I only want to be ranked to the competitors of Ontario"

And if that was truly the feelings of the majority of Ontarian Members then how can the Foreign results be kept in the calculation of Ontario Classification.

So with that rationale behind the new system It is reasonable to assume that all non Ontario Competitor's results would be omitted from the classification system calculations...

come on you really can't have it both ways ... where do we stop .... "well because last year we had an unusually high influx of U.S. competitors our results are artificially low so we'll start another new and improved classification system"


sorry for the hijack


They won't affect Canada's regional ICS because they Belong to their own region and it will be entered there and affect their home region... (did I say there, their enuf times... hehehe)
 
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Madness said:
Don't beleave me? Wait untill after Area 8 :D
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Ohhh, no, don't get me wrong, I have no doubt we'll get killed, what I object to is the constant whining that since we don't have class X "in the real world" (mostly USPSA) we don't have the right to be called X within our own little section. That's all. I'm in top 5% of Prod in Ont, I have no problem saying that I'm an Ontario Prod GM, and if I score 60% in Area 7/8 against Sevegny, that won't change my relative scores against others in Ontario.. that's all... ;)
 
maxpig said:
if this is truly an Ontario Classification system having people from other jurisdictions affecting the results would be tantamount to having a national system.... or in this case an international ranking system..
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Hey, Pig, trust me, ok, anything you can say has been said already, save yourself the grief, and forget about it, hahaha!! :bangHead: this has been pointed out, argued, whined, screamed, etc, about for at least 2 seasons... (ever since ipsc1 started to show up to PQ provincials, and when the nationals were an Ont classifier). :popCorn:
 
omen said:
Hey, Pig, trust me, ok, anything you can say has been said already, save yourself the grief, and forget about it, hahaha!! :bangHead: this has been pointed out, argued, whined, screamed, etc, about for at least 2 seasons... (ever since ipsc1 started to show up to PQ provincials, and when the nationals were an Ont classifier). :popCorn:
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but that was the OLD Ontario Classification system... you are now Using the New and Improved System..... A system that was intended to reflect Ontario shooters ranking only....


No grief just like stating the obvious.... and if I had an inflated ego like some of the top 5% production shooters :p it would really bother me but since I don't it doesn't....
 
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