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Haaaayyyy Man, your cutting into my action on tinfoil hats sales in the EE.
LoL.
Rob
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Haaaayyyy Man, your cutting into my action on tinfoil hats sales in the EE.
LoL.
Rob
turbo_bird
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The more stupid laws they pile on us the more they become a suggestion rather than something to be followed, especially when they seem to be changing all the time and the police and government aren't sure what the laws even are. Pretty soon there won't be any point to following any laws, and we'll just be trying to not get caught.
Kristian
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Originally Posted by canblackops Bore measurements are to be made inside the barrel just after the chamber.
For all you experts who have a fit over the 20mm ban and how to measure a shotgun bore... where in the OIC does it state a shotgun bore is measured any other way than after the chamber and before the choke? It does not have to state how a shotgun bore is measured as how has been a fact forever. Go back to the time when the gauge of a shotgun was calculated as how many round lead balls (that fit the bore) it took to make a pound (12 lead balls = 12 gauge)... so the bore was based on the smallest diameter from ahead of the chamber up until the choke... the choke being an even smaller diameter but not included in the measurement...so regardless of how large the chamber is, how large the forcing cone is, how large a choke tube recess is - they are not part of the bore measurement. This is a fact accepted by the RCMP, the Government and everywhere in the firearms industry.
There seems to be a persistence to ignore the fact on how to measure a shotgun bore... is it true ignorance or trolling? Is there another choice?
For all you experts who have a fit over the 20mm ban and how to measure a shotgun bore... where in the OIC does it state a shotgun bore is measured any other way than after the chamber and before the choke? It does not have to state how a shotgun bore is measured as how has been a fact forever. Go back to the time when the gauge of a shotgun was calculated as how many round lead balls (that fit the bore) it took to make a pound (12 lead balls = 12 gauge)... so the bore was based on the smallest diameter from ahead of the chamber up until the choke... the choke being an even smaller diameter but not included in the measurement...so regardless of how large the chamber is, how large the forcing cone is, how large a choke tube recess is - they are not part of the bore measurement. This is a fact accepted by the RCMP, the Government and everywhere in the firearms industry.
There seems to be a persistence to ignore the fact on how to measure a shotgun bore... is it true ignorance or trolling? Is there another choice?
Remind me how "safe storage" gets interpreted by the police and prosecutors.
bdft
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
While I agree with you, the RCMP does not. The OIC states "any bore 20mm or greater" and the RCMP interpret that to mean the largest part of the bore. In some guns, like a 725 Browning, it is hard to tell where the forcing cone ends and the bore begins. The one I measured was over 20mm as far down the bore as I could reach in both directions. Some guns just have a short cut out behind the choke over 20mm. (Behind the choke, Kamloopy, not right on the threads). When Epps offered up that old Iver Johnson to the RCMP they said it was prohibited. That's the letter of the law. I seriously doubt that it will ever be enforced and personally, I'm not paying any attention to it. They will make us all criminals eventually, why not start now.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 12ga SOR/2020-96
Date: 2020-06-04
To: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Cc: firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Hi there,
I am the owner of several 12ga shotguns and that I have been using for hunting.
With the latest regulations of SOR/2020-96, I am now totally confused about the legal status of my shotguns and I am seeking clarity to the following questions:
1) Several of my shotguns have a removable choke and they probably measure above 20mm at the muzzle with the choke removed. I am wondering if those shotguns are now banned and according to SOR/2020-96? Can I take those shotguns hunting in the fall or not?
2) If one of my shotguns is back bored (over bored), and if its bore measurement is greater than 20 mm will it be prohibited by SOR/2020-96? You see I don’t even know if one of my shotguns is over bored. Do I need to get the bore measured now? And if I take the gun to a gun smith and in order to get it measured, am I in contravention of he law if that gun’s bore diameter is actually larger than 20 mm?
3) Since a 12-gauge shotgun is capable of discharging a projectile at 10000 joules or greater are all my 12-gauge shotguns now prohibited by SOR/2020-96?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShC_ykDahRU
I appreciate your help in obtaining clarity around the status of my shotguns.
I do would like to point out that I want to abide by the law. However, the status of my shotguns is really not clear to me, and I am worried about this fall’s hunting season. For some of us, a criminal record would mean the loss of our job and the loss of the ability to make a livelihood. So, we are not talking about a little thing here … we are talking about an interpretation of regulations that could ruin somebody’s life.
I am hoping that you can clarify my questions.
Appreciate your help ...
Thanks,
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Subject: 12ga SOR/2020-96
Date: 2020-06-04
To: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Cc: firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Hi there,
I am the owner of several 12ga shotguns and that I have been using for hunting.
With the latest regulations of SOR/2020-96, I am now totally confused about the legal status of my shotguns and I am seeking clarity to the following questions:
1) Several of my shotguns have a removable choke and they probably measure above 20mm at the muzzle with the choke removed. I am wondering if those shotguns are now banned and according to SOR/2020-96? Can I take those shotguns hunting in the fall or not?
2) If one of my shotguns is back bored (over bored), and if its bore measurement is greater than 20 mm will it be prohibited by SOR/2020-96? You see I don’t even know if one of my shotguns is over bored. Do I need to get the bore measured now? And if I take the gun to a gun smith and in order to get it measured, am I in contravention of he law if that gun’s bore diameter is actually larger than 20 mm?
3) Since a 12-gauge shotgun is capable of discharging a projectile at 10000 joules or greater are all my 12-gauge shotguns now prohibited by SOR/2020-96?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShC_ykDahRU
I appreciate your help in obtaining clarity around the status of my shotguns.
I do would like to point out that I want to abide by the law. However, the status of my shotguns is really not clear to me, and I am worried about this fall’s hunting season. For some of us, a criminal record would mean the loss of our job and the loss of the ability to make a livelihood. So, we are not talking about a little thing here … we are talking about an interpretation of regulations that could ruin somebody’s life.
I am hoping that you can clarify my questions.
Appreciate your help ...
Thanks,
< >
I'm leegawl?
Pull the chokes out the Cortona and did a check.
Sure nawt whut I s'pectitted……………………………………….....……………………….
I will only buy Shotguns with full non removable chokes to try and remain legal for a little while longer. A lot of these old guns we bought were confiscated from the legal gun owners in Europe.We should never forget that with Trudeau at the helm.He and his globetrotting wife travel there a lot , and enjoy how they disarmed everyone.
Come on guys... really... you are going to keep flogging this dead horse issue?
Accept the fact no one is being charged with an over 20mm bore concerning any 10 or 12 gauge shotgun... because there aren't any...
Regardless of how large the chamber is, how large the forcing cone is, how large a choke tube recess is - they are not part of the bore measurement. This is a fact accepted by the RCMP, the Government and everywhere in the firearms industry.
This is a fact accepted by the RCMP, the Government and everywhere in the firearms industry - except by some tin foil hat gun owners...
Accept the fact no one is being charged with an over 20mm bore concerning any 10 or 12 gauge shotgun... because there aren't any...
Regardless of how large the chamber is, how large the forcing cone is, how large a choke tube recess is - they are not part of the bore measurement. This is a fact accepted by the RCMP, the Government and everywhere in the firearms industry.
This is a fact accepted by the RCMP, the Government and everywhere in the firearms industry - except by some tin foil hat gun owners...
Because I know damn well that if the RCMP, under the Liberals or not, are given a millimetre they will take a metre, and eventually a kilometre. Just wait a few years and see what happens with the larger bore shotguns, and then the smaller bore ones too. But speaking of the Liberals, Allan Rock stated long ago (back in the 1990s) that his party's goal is to completely disarm the public, period, pointe finale, no stop, no exceptions, no compromise.
Prove it. Show your work and that it will stick. Because it won't.
I guess some people just need something to rave angry about. In that regard, I feel compelled to share my sadness that pez guns are no longer made. Some kid stuck the barrel in his mouth and choked on a pez candy. His snowflake mom wrote a letter to the editor - in cursive - and mailed it off - probably to the Star. Now we all suffer the loss. PEZ just isn't the same coming from under a clown's chin.
I have showed my work and it is sticking, wtf are you talking about?
I think to prove anything to you would require putting my head where your head is...
and I am not going there...
Lets revisit this page in another month when no one will have been charged let alone convicted with their 10 or 12 gauge shotgun...
I have showed my work and it is sticking, wtf are you talking about?
I think to prove anything to you would require putting my head where your head is...
and I am not going there...
Lets revisit this page in another month when no one will have been charged let alone convicted with their 10 or 12 gauge shotgun...
Thanks for the insults, shows where you come from. You're happily looking just a month ahead, LOL? Is it that you can't read what I wrote or that you refuse to grasp it?
Anyway, I can see it's hopeless to point out to some that the 20 mm law is on the books and has not been changed or modified, that some shotguns have already failed it, and that all the Pollyanna wishes in the world are not going to change that. Are you not for instance familiar with the saga of the 30 round magazines for the Ruger 10/22? Think you can trust your Liberal and police overlords?
