Guff about the CF Hi-Power

One of the reasons that the MPs use commercial hollow points in their P225's is that they were having lots of light strikes on the issue ball ammo that has primers spec'd for use in open bolt SMG's. The CF has a lot of that 9mm ammo in stock. Some other countries have run into the same problem with ammo.

Pat
 
coyote tech 421 said:
One of the reasons that the MPs use commercial hollow points in their P225's is that they were having lots of light strikes on the issue ball ammo that has primers spec'd for use in open bolt SMG's. The CF has a lot of that 9mm ammo in stock. Some other countries have run into the same problem with ammo.

Pat
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News to me. If they use HP ammo it is because they consider themselves LEO and use HP for the same reason other police departments do. I used a P225 for both competition and training, and took Gunsite 250 with it. I only used IVI ball and never had a light strike, nor witnessed another shooter having that problem. Of course if you were to have light strikes the appropriate IA is to replace the mainspring with a one that is spec.
 
the high powers are not bad pistols for what the CF uses it for, its for fighting back to your rifle that you should of never put down in the first place.

i've shot it on my DP2A course with the reserves (32 rounds per candidate, they had 2000 more in the truck that they returned) :mad:

the one gripe i have, is with the magazines, i had this mag on the range that just won't feed after each shot was fired. with quality mags the pistol is not too bad. the pistols are usually in dismal condition in the reserves units, sights worn down and no finish at all.

the SAS (Special Air Service) still uses it, our SAS does too (Saturdays And Sundays) :D
 
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coyote tech 421 said:
One of the reasons that the MPs use commercial hollow points in their P225's is that they were having lots of light strikes on the issue ball ammo that has primers spec'd for use in open bolt SMG's. The CF has a lot of that 9mm ammo in stock. Some other countries have run into the same problem with ammo.

Pat
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I find that very difficult to believe. As far as I know, the military cannot use hollow point ammunition because it is expressly prohibited by the Geneva Convention.
 
capp325 said:
I find that very difficult to believe. As far as I know, the military cannot use hollow point ammunition because it is expressly prohibited by the Geneva Convention.
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That applies if you are fighting a war. Not so much if the MPs are doing regular policing duties in garrison.
 
I have carried and shot the BHP. I have no real heartache with it, as long as you get a nice tight one.

The one thing they should do though is invest some money in some good holsters, maybe a Safariland 6004 or something. The HP rattles like a ##### in the Bianchis and the retention in those holsters sucks.

As far as everyone calling a pistol a weapon of last resort..........well you still need something that is going to go bang everytime. Stoppages, close quarters or many other reasons could cause you to need a pistol.
 
Bottom line is that the CF has a LONG wishlist and new pistols are low on the priority list. When we have new medium lift helicopters, 2 or 3 new supply/support ships, Leopard II replacements etc etc etc, the pistol issue may come up.
 
ZuluMike said:
I agree with NavyShooter, I do not place replacing the Hi-Power very high on my list of priorities as far as kit we need goes. My Pistol is only my back-up weapon and the Hi-Powers we're issued work fine. You do have to make sure you get issued reliable mags for them though.
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Don't quite follow your logic on this one. Would that be the same as accepting something less for your reserve parachute?

My question is rhetoric,, no need to answer.

The fact that the pistol is mainly issued for back-up, or just in case, means you would only be drawing it to knock someone down most ricky-tic,, and that would be the worst time to get a stovepipe stoppage. It would probably be the last stoppage you would ever have.

If given the choice I think we would all choose a Sig 226 over an Inglis HiPower any day of the week.
 
Camp Cook said:
He made a comment on how he prefered the single action of the BHP due to having to #### the firearm as he was drawing it into action rather than having a double action trigger system.

He stated that the extra action of having to #### the gun before being able to fire saved a couple of friendly's lives that had snuck up behind them.

Supposedly having to #### the gun gave them the time to recognize who was there in time to prevent a shooting.
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Was he kidding? Some soldiers shouldn't be issued anything more dangerous than a multi-tool.
 
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browning hi power, a beautiful handgun. If you get one that not shot to #### and has a relatively nice trigger. Back in 92 I went to CFSAC in Ottawa with the west coast navy team. yeah we were'nt as "pusser" as the army pukes. drank alot of beer, oops did I say that, slept in until it was time to compete. The pukes had their run and pt in when we were rubbing the sleep from our eyes. Anyway I placed #135 out of 600 back then. Had the BART team (british army rifle) there too. I shot a 34 out of 35 with the o'l trusty hi power, came in 4th at that event I think. Not bad for a swabbie. Two other pukes shot also 34 with 2 others scoring 35. The browning shoot. We have the P226 or 5 on the ship now. Its ok, but can't understand why we went with the 8 shotter? I still prefer the trusty browning. No offense intented to any "pukes" past or present :p .
 
Shelldrake said:
Don't quite follow your logic on this one. Would that be the same as accepting something less for your reserve parachute?

My question is rhetoric,, no need to answer.

The fact that the pistol is mainly issued for back-up, or just in case, means you would only be drawing it to knock someone down most ricky-tic,, and that would be the worst time to get a stovepipe stoppage. It would probably be the last stoppage you would ever have.

If given the choice I think we would all choose a Sig 226 over an Inglis HiPower any day of the week.
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With good mags our Hi-Powers are more than up to the task of backing up my rifle. Why buy a new pistol when the old one works fine. As for the reserve parachute the riggers pack that for me along with my main, I just have to accept that it is good to go. Where as my pistol I can at least test at the range myself so that I know I can depend on it when needed.
 
Shelldrake said:
Don't quite follow your logic on this one. Would that be the same as accepting something less for your reserve parachute?
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Heck, why bother with properly working seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, fire alarms? All they do is help you survive accidents that shouldn't have happened in the first place...
 
wobbles99 said:
Would you care much about your reserve chute if the plane that was meant to carry you isn't flight worthy? exactly.
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The point is that you don't go on an mission without making sure that both are in good order.
 
Well so far the comments from servicemen who have used the browning is it gets the job done, no matter how outdated they are. Why mess with it when we have helicopters falling out of the sky? I personally would love a high power and would trust my life to it if it came down to it.
 
wobbles99 said:
Well so far the comments from servicemen who have used the browning is it gets the job done, no matter how outdated they are.
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According to the article posted in another thread, not everyone feels that way.

Many of the soldiers who use the Browning have little faith in its ability to protect them should the need arise.

"I don't trust them," said one junior officer, who did not want his name used. "They're prone to jamming, and I hear they have a habit of going off when you jostle them. They ought to be replaced -- should've been a long time ago."

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"The 9-mills are junk," said one MP posted to Kandahar Air Field, speaking on condition of anonymity. "They're too old. Handgun design has passed them by ... and they're always jamming.

"I was at the range last week firing my SIG-Sauer next to a guy with a 9-mill and his weapon had four stoppages. That'll get you killed in a combat situation."
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56900&highlight=Inglis
 
*Edited, I do not want to start a flame war*

There is always going to be some one who will have a problem with a firearm. Try googling sig failures and see hjow many times the slides cracking comes up. Does that make the sig a piece of crap? no. Try beretta as well and see how many sites show cracked frames. Same thing. It's bound to happen with any pistol. Now add to the fact that our military has a very small budget and a long shopping list and you can see why they aren't going to be replaced any time soon.
 
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wobbles99 said:
*Edited, I do not want to start a flame war*

There is always going to be some one who will have a problem with a firearm. Try googling sig failures and see hjow many times the slides cracking comes up. Does that make the sig a piece of crap? no. Try beretta as well and see how many sites show cracked frames. Same thing. It's bound to happen with any pistol. Now add to the fact that our military has a very small budget and a long shopping list and you can see why they aren't going to be replaced any time soon.
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The probelm here is that not that BHP is bad design (which it isn't) but rather that the guns have been used and abused for over six decades. A 63-year-old Sig or Beretta would also be unacceptable.

With CPC in power, hopefully the military funding will increase. We can start scraping the registry and using the surplus $$$ to buy new handguns for the army.
 
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