I know theres lots of smiths making barrelsbut is there any lettering them to duplicate the barrel their replacing? ie does anybody know one that replaces a barrel on an old winchester and when you look at it you see winchester repeating arms like the orig???
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Not many gunsmiths make barrels as those who install them...
Exact lettering would require exact tooling....
A museum quality restoration can duplicate a factory look. There is a fellow in the US that specializes in this type of restoration of old German pistols. A full blown restoration starts at about $25,000.
Exact lettering would require exact tooling....
A museum quality restoration can duplicate a factory look. There is a fellow in the US that specializes in this type of restoration of old German pistols. A full blown restoration starts at about $25,000.
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Casull You are correct, Doug has all of the original roll stamps used by Winchester, I do not believe he works on much else. I know he is years behind and charges big $$, for his superb work
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We use 2 methods of marking our barrels, if the barrel is to be blackened or blued we use CNC mill to cut the info into the barrel, if the barrel is stainless and is being left stainless color we laser engrave it. Both are permanent, but it would be very hard to match exact factory fonts with either of these methods.
Still better I believe than hammering away with a punch
Still better I believe than hammering away with a punch
ATR - do you mean matching the font or matching the appearance of the roll stamp?
Matching the font is pretty easy these days if you have a CNC machine. You could even take a picture of the original font that you want and vectorize it for an almost identical copy.
Use high angle split end gravers or 5-10°C triangular ground cutters followed by heavy buffing to round the edges to match the appearance of a roll stamp.
Matching the font is pretty easy these days if you have a CNC machine. You could even take a picture of the original font that you want and vectorize it for an almost identical copy.
Use high angle split end gravers or 5-10°C triangular ground cutters followed by heavy buffing to round the edges to match the appearance of a roll stamp.
I should add that while the operation that I described above could be used to duplicate the font, it would be time consuming and annoying to refine it to the point where it would precisely match the appearance of the original stamping.
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I was meaning the roll stamp appearance, especially an aged 1
It seems you have more experience in engraving than I do.
NGraver will engrave stamps to duplicate the original roll markings, proof marks, even the Colt horse! ......They're not cheap, so you need a demand for several guns before making the investment.
I've had British guns with engraved markings and proofs duplicated on a replacement barrel plus the word "replacement" or "#2". Doug Turnbull also identifies his restorations as such. Some, like H&H, were originally acid etched, not engraved.
The biggest concern in this area are the guys trying to pass such work off as original and capture the big dollars! ~Arctic~
I've had British guns with engraved markings and proofs duplicated on a replacement barrel plus the word "replacement" or "#2". Doug Turnbull also identifies his restorations as such. Some, like H&H, were originally acid etched, not engraved.
The biggest concern in this area are the guys trying to pass such work off as original and capture the big dollars! ~Arctic~
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- Kinmount Ontario
Recutting or copying of existing lettering
There are a couple of engravers in the Toronto area, who are capable of very good work . One of them is T Pozzubon, and you can find him through Google, and I think his site is "the Engraving Arts" or something like that! regards Bully.
There are a couple of engravers in the Toronto area, who are capable of very good work . One of them is T Pozzubon, and you can find him through Google, and I think his site is "the Engraving Arts" or something like that! regards Bully.
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You would probably be surprised how many shops/smiths use the etch-o-matic system ( or copy)!
Stamps are still used by many accuracy smiths. In terms of accuracy......I don't know of anyone who can claim one is better then the other...
Kelbly's does both..Hermes pantograph engraver and stamp (hand and press) http://www.kelbly.com/
Hermes has a nice little computerized unit out for this kind of work.
Stamps are still used by many accuracy smiths. In terms of accuracy......I don't know of anyone who can claim one is better then the other...
Kelbly's does both..Hermes pantograph engraver and stamp (hand and press) http://www.kelbly.com/
Hermes has a nice little computerized unit out for this kind of work.
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### International said:
Yes they do ,and I can not say that it does damage, but the idea of taking a hammer and shaped chisels, to a match barrel and beating data info into the steel, just makes me cringe. Hence my perpensity to laser or cnc engraving, which I know for fact does zero damage.
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alberta tactical rifle said:
Now thats probably an exaggeration or is it? Given the stamps are 1/16" or 3/32 (generally) I think the "beating" term might be a bit extreme, but how would a person ever get that idea into their head?
Rick have you ever used the etch-o-matic or similar type etching kits on barrels?
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No, I am assuming by etchomatic you are meaning the scratch type engraving that is commonly done to trinkets in shopping malls? I could see them working not too badly if what I am envisioning is correct, at least another hammerless process option. But already having a laser engraver and a mill, how many more methods are required?### International said:
Don't get me wrong, I know many top makers "hammer stamp" data on their barrels, and it seems to not really affect accuracy, it is to me much like nails on a chalk board, just the nasty thought of it that bothers me. Whether the metal is stressed or affected by hammer stamping, I have no idea, though logic says it should , when there are obviously better alternatives available that is the way I prefer to go. Its just a personal thing I have, much the same as hunters who drive around with the muzzle of their rifle stuck in the dirt and other junk of the floor in the truck. This bothers me as well. Is it right or wrong, who knows, but we all have our own ideas as to what is right.
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I think one of the guys posted the link to the website but I google it anyway.... It is a typical electro-chemical etching process done by knowledgeable metalworkers (machinists etc. etc. etc.) I am surprised you have never heard of the process. Typically you can 4 thou deep or so and is considered permanent. You may have seen simple etches on some of the tooling you might be using.
http://www.etching-metal.com/
I googled the site and pulled this info up for your reference. Does the finished work familiar?
The scratch or "scribe" type systems are also very popular. Hermes manufacturers them as well their new computerized unit which no longer "scribes" from a font stencil.
Interesting stuff.
http://www.etching-metal.com/
I googled the site and pulled this info up for your reference. Does the finished work familiar?
The scratch or "scribe" type systems are also very popular. Hermes manufacturers them as well their new computerized unit which no longer "scribes" from a font stencil.
Interesting stuff.
I have used machines like the etcho-matic and have not been thrilled with the results. The stencils of the time wore out quickly and there was diffusion at the edges of the detail. More modern machines are likely quite a bit better, but the ones I have used did not compare favorably to laser etching.
As for the Hermes machine... Well, I evaluated their newest model last year for a month and they do not stack up well against a cnc machine at all, especially for marking materials like steel. That machine was just cheap, cheap, cheap. The scroll plates in the 3 jaw chucks were made out of aluminum - something I find totally unacceptable in an $11000 machine.
As for the Hermes machine... Well, I evaluated their newest model last year for a month and they do not stack up well against a cnc machine at all, especially for marking materials like steel. That machine was just cheap, cheap, cheap. The scroll plates in the 3 jaw chucks were made out of aluminum - something I find totally unacceptable in an $11000 machine.
