Gun Cart - safe muzzle direction

[John in B.C.]

Well you guys are a couple of real hardasses on the rules.....well good for you.

I have shot a lot of club matches -IPSC, IDPA, IPSC 3gun and multigun- and stage DQ's are the rule rather than the exception. For the most part we see club level matches as practice/training matches and try to teach newbies the how and the why of action shooting......hardcore attitudes and automatic match DQ's do nothing to encourage participation.

Obviously you both know a lot more about action shooting and safety than pretty well every SO and RO I know.......awesome........

John

 

[Onagoth]

I think everyone at our club wants to see action shooting grow and have people participate, but not at the expense of safety. Just my take

 

[John in B.C.]

Using stage DQ's appropriately does not in any way compromise safety. It is simply a tool to teach safe gun handling while at the same time encouraging participation.

As far as SASS goes......I have a funny feeling they know what they are doing. They have have been running their game for a long time and I have total and absolute confidence that SASS and cowboy action shooters have the same concerns and respect for safety that we all do.

John

 

[Onagoth]

Personally, I don't agree with stage dq's...that is of course, just my opinion. Other RO's may have a different one. I also don't agree that DQ's affect overall participation ...at least not in my experience

 

[John in B.C.]

Personally, I don't agree with stage dq's...that is of course, just my opinion. Other RO's may have a different one. I also don't agree that DQ's affect overall participation ...at least not in my experience

I have to say, knowing that you shoot IDPA, I am a little surprised you are coming across so hardcore on this issue. IDPA SO's routinely give warnings for trigger violations that would result in DQ's in IPSC. Different games....different rules....both safe if done properly.

John

 

[John in B.C.]

From the IDPA rule book regarding Match DQ's:

"E. Dangerous or repeated “finger in trigger guard” violations
during loading, unloading, reloading, drawing, holstering,
remedial action."

Note the distinctions given - Dangerous or repeated

In IPSC this would be a DQ the first time.

Different games.....different rules......both safe if done correctly.

John

 

[Canuck44]

Using stage DQ's appropriately does not in any way compromise safety. It is simply a tool to teach safe gun handling while at the same time encouraging participation.

As far as SASS goes......I have a funny feeling they know what they are doing. They have have been running their game for a long time and I have total and absolute confidence that SASS and cowboy action shooters have the same concerns and respect for safety that we all do.

John

Exactly.

Different sports have the need for different safety rules depending on how the game is played. Attempting to access one sports rules through the eyes of another is not going to accomplish much other than to alienate. How that serves the shooting community as a whole is quite beyond me.

Take Care

Bob

 

[john simmons]

From the IDPA rule book regarding Match DQ's:

"E. Dangerous or repeated “finger in trigger guard” violations
during loading, unloading, reloading, drawing, holstering,
remedial action."

Note the distinctions given - Dangerous or repeated

In IPSC this would be a DQ the first time.

Different games.....different rules......both safe if done correctly.

John

If a RO wants to be a nice guy and give a shooter a warning and explanation to what the shooter was doing wrong/or where they got sloppy it's one thing and a really nice thing to do. However as you have shown the words "dangerous" and "repeated" that person need to be Dq'd. Period. A break once from a RO is one thing, but you can't have repeated issues. That shooter just isn't getting it.

 

[Unspoken]

the commercial cart I have seen have been muzzle down... and fairly easy to do with the right hardware.

Looks like a Tacticool baby stroller to me

 

[John in B.C.]

If a RO wants to be a nice guy and give a shooter a warning and explanation to what the shooter was doing wrong/or where they got sloppy it's one thing and a really nice thing to do. However as you have shown the words "dangerous" and "repeated" that person need to be Dq'd. Period. A break once from a RO is one thing, but you can't have repeated issues. That shooter just isn't getting it.

Well, actually John that is the point.

IDPA is run a lot different than you are used to in IPSC.

If you are really interested ask me about it in April at the Terrace Qualifiers and I will fill you in.

John

 

[Onagoth]

Really, it isn't my intention to nit pick every single difference, just expressed my concerns.

A safety violation serious enough to get a stage DQ in my opinion should be a match DQ. I wouldn't consider a trigger finger a serious safety issue unless it was done repeatedly, but dropping an unloaded gun is dangerous enough to warrant a DQ on the first offense.

Same with cross draws...I don't agree with a stage DQ if someone draws from a cross daw in a way that his gun points uprange...that should be an instant match DQ.

I'm not sure we will agree to these points, so we might just have to agree to disagree.